00:24:01 <concrete_houses> whew this job market for CIO seems jammed
00:24:10 <concrete_houses> anyone any advice for finding jobs?
00:24:27 <debdrup> #freebsd isn't really the right place for that.
00:53:04 * rtyler chortles
01:42:22 <rtyler> I have been using duplicity for offsite backups into Azure blob storage (S3 alike). The most recent releasesa have been having issues with incomplete backups, so I'm looking for alternatives.
01:44:16 <rtyler> I know I can zfs-send from one machine to another, but I'm not sure if it's even possible to zfs-send to an object storage system
02:15:55 <manfromafar> sure
02:16:10 <manfromafar> but it'll stored as a file like old backups
02:16:28 <manfromafar> I don't think delphix ever commited their s3 compat backend
03:14:04 <ghoti> I have an old Sun Microsystems USB mouse that does not get recognized as a modern mouse... Any idea if it can be used in modern systems? It gets recognized as the following:
03:14:07 <ghoti> kernel: ugen0.8: <vendor 0x0430 product 0x0100> at usbus0
03:19:48 <ghoti> Oh weird. Second time I plugged it in, it worked fine. Nevermind! :)
05:01:01 <AmyMalik> Do I need any specific preparation to load an image file as a preload-type md device?
05:01:14 <AmyMalik> Or can I just load an image neat like a kernel module?
05:02:01 <AmyMalik> or do I have to create it when building the kernel
05:05:18 <doug713705> hello, I'm new to FreeBSD, after some time and efforts I succeded in setting usb bluetooth audio with virtual_oss. but still I have 2 problems remaining:
05:05:57 <doug713705> 1 - there is no sound in firefox even with media.cubeb.backend:  oss
05:07:03 <doug713705> 2 - I'm unable to set sound level with virtual_oss_ctl (the gui is diplayed, I can see the controls but when pressing up or down sound level does not change)
05:07:40 <doug713705> I'm looking for clues but I don't knwow where to find them.
05:08:46 <doug713705> and I'm a bit confused by all the different audio stacks (sndio, oss, virtual_oss, pulseaudio, etc)...
05:19:44 <AmyMalik> oss is a programming interface for audio on UNIX. sound(4) (device drivers are prefixed snd_*) is the main driver that supports the oss programming interface on FreeBSD, and the other is virtual_oss, which runs in userspace and is able to use bluetooth devices. sndio is something that openbsd made up, and then compatibility libraries were made to use on other operating systems (if I'm not
05:19:46 <AmyMalik> mistaken). pulseaudio has always been something that exists in userspace, and it exists, among other reasons, to allow sound to be transported over a network for short distances, but it seems to be the default for applications to use over on the Linux side, so we here have to deal with some software trying to use it. it works, albeit poorly, on FreeBSD.
05:46:59 <doug713705> AmyMalik: Yes, i figured this out yet. What is confusing me is what is that it seems to have all of those running at the same time
05:47:27 <doug713705> so tryong to understand what is not working is hard
05:48:48 <doug713705> does firefox use pulseaudio ? I can't tell. I read some docs telling it use it and I may have to make it use OSS with " media.cubeb.backend:  oss" in about:config
05:49:02 <doug713705> still it is not working either and I'm stuck
05:49:21 <AmyMalik> $ pgrep pulseaudio
05:49:22 <AmyMalik> 63747
05:49:24 * AmyMalik does the thonk emoji
05:49:56 <doug713705> pgrep pulseaudio
05:49:58 <doug713705> 2307
05:50:29 <AmyMalik> looks like it was started by either firefox or thunderbird on my system as that PID is jailled and I use a jail for firefox and thunderbird
05:50:37 <doug713705> so yes, I have pulseaudio running. Firefox played sound before I set up the BT audio with virtual_oss
06:02:16 <doug713705> and by by setting "pacmd set-default-sink 2", firefox get sound again but output is not the virtual_oss device
06:41:34 <nmz-> no gparted for freebsd?
06:45:30 <angry_vincent> FreeBSD has own utilities for it
06:51:17 <AmyMalik> it does, although they are command-line only at this time. I have not found them difficult to get my head around - if anything, they're some of the easiest tools I have ever used to partition a storage module.
06:53:30 <AmyMalik> enter `man 8 gpart` for information on partitioning, and `apropos newfs` for pointers to information on formatting partitions.
07:47:35 <nmz-> bummer, well thanks
07:53:37 <nmz-> qbittorrent seems to hang, needs to be kill -9
07:54:08 <nmz-> this is in 13.1 RELEASE p5 x86-64
08:27:45 <meena> nmz-: if it's hanging, you wanna get a core and examine it: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/developers-handbook/tools/#debugging
08:27:46 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 2. Programming Tools | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
08:38:15 <yuripv> but it's c++!
09:28:32 <Lovis_IX>  
11:45:45 <bsdbandit> godo morning
11:45:50 <bsdbandit> good morning
12:01:56 <bsdbandit> yeah im switching to bhyve from virtual box tired of having networking issues when running my vms using the bridge interface
12:02:00 <bsdbandit> uggghg
13:39:01 <gzar> anybody here familiar with `xtrs' the TRS-80 emulator? I'd like to find some help for running cassettes and can't seem to find any channel on libera focused on it
13:59:01 <bsdbandit> im not gzar sorry
13:59:36 <gzar> thanks anyway, i managed to run a different emulator with wine
15:28:04 <nmz-> even the bug reporting site has a bug!
15:28:28 <nmz-> lmao
15:29:21 <gzar> what site and what software
15:35:18 <nmz-> bugs.freebsd.org, clicking paste text as attachment brings up a textbox, but the textbox cannot be typed on
15:57:04 <Lovis_IX> nmz-: it's certainly a stupid idea from me but if you use NO SCRIP extension, may it block a javascript used by the button.
16:13:32 <nmz-> Ha, I do have ublocker but its not turned on for the website
16:50:04 <et09> trying to set up opendkim... i have milteropendkim_enable="YES" and milteropendkim_cfgfile="/usr/local/etc/mail/opendkim.conf" in my /etc/rc.conf - rebooted - but `service milter-opendkim start` complains $milteropendkim_enable isn't set to YES
16:50:15 <et09> little confused
16:50:58 <et09> it's not unset anywhere else afaict
16:57:28 <CrtxReavr> YOu know, on the surface, it looks like you can get some really good deals on refurbished server hardware from Amazon. . .
16:58:02 <CrtxReavr> But then you realize they want to charge you an extra $100-150 for the rails.
18:00:51 <Beladona> Hola
18:06:00 <debdrup> nmz-: I can type into the textbox for pasting attachments just fine, using Firefox v110 on FreeBSD
18:06:43 <debdrup> Try creating a new profile using about:profiles, launch the new profile, and create a bug there. If that works, it's one of your add-ons or an issue with the way you set up Firefox.
18:07:07 <debdrup> ..well, assuming you're using Firefox. If not, I've no clue what to do.
18:28:28 <et09> omg its frigging html quote versus real ascii quote
18:28:39 <Beladona> parli spagnolo?
18:28:45 <et09> copy and pasted milteropendkim_enable=”YES”
18:55:06 <meena> et09: try this: sysrv milteropendkim_enable=YES
18:55:26 <meena> or, service milteropendkim enable
18:56:18 <AReal486> Sweet! I'm able to play Railroad Tycoon II on Wine on FreeBSD!
18:56:39 <AReal486> I remember playing hours of that game back in the late 90s/early 2000s.
18:58:39 <et09> meena: i just had to edit the quotes
18:58:47 <et09> yay now i'm 100% dmarc/spf/dkim as god intended
18:58:57 <et09> (i thought i was already ...)
19:01:55 <meena> et09: i know. I'm just telling you two methods you cash safely forego the quotes, because they will do the thing for you
19:02:18 <et09> gotcha - it was a few other config opts as well
19:02:42 <meena> I reckon service foo enable probably calls sysrc, but maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part
19:12:48 <et09> hm - 12.4 is more decent than 13.1 ?
19:13:27 <et09> recent **
19:14:01 <V_PauAmma_V> Yes, but some things are in 13.1 that aren't in 12.4, because 13.x overall is more recent than 12.x.
19:14:16 <Beladona> et09 13.1 is the release (most stable
19:14:35 <et09> 12.4 is just still being updated i take it
19:14:37 <Beladona> et09 you want to go with that.
19:14:45 <et09> right yeah i already upgrade to 13
19:14:50 <et09> while back
19:21:10 <meena> et09: it's updated with security fixes and hopefully with bug fixes… but there's usually no new features once there's another branch out
19:24:29 <V_PauAmma_V> meena, yes, "service foo enable" appears to use sysrc, through /etc/rc.subr run_rc_command().
19:26:19 <Beladona> Any suggestions on what is the safest (the saaafest) methodologies to promptly resume operations if OS gets corrupted or disk fails?
19:29:07 <Beladona> meena maybe a auto update on security updates will help
19:29:27 <Beladona> will help et09
19:31:06 <Beladona> Is this the only freebsd channel on libera. Very calm for a 700 people channel
19:32:11 <meena> Beladona: it's a Sunday, and this is the calm before the storm (release of 13.2)
19:32:26 <Beladona> :)
19:32:47 <Beladona> when is that scheduled?
19:33:24 <meena> no idea, i have not kept up with this release at all 😬
19:33:48 <Beladona> ok
19:34:14 <Beladona> what is your contingency strategy?
19:34:25 <meena> https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.2R/schedule/
19:34:26 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD 13.2 Release Process | The FreeBSD Project
19:35:28 <meena> I mean, usually i build and test every Alpha, Beta and RC, and I have not had time to do any such thing
19:38:12 <Beladona> its too far for me to wait
19:38:16 <Beladona> will stick with 13.1
19:38:32 <Beladona> I am more worried in contingency right now
19:45:36 <meena> Beladona: can you elaborate what you mean by contingency?
19:46:05 <Beladona> meena I meant this:  suggestions on what is the safest (the saaafest) methodologies to promptly resume operations if OS gets corrupted or disk fails?
19:46:41 <meena> OS gets corrupted??
19:46:51 <Beladona> OS files. Yes
19:47:45 <meena> like, how? a virus? what do you mean?
19:48:43 <meena> FS corruption caused by bad hardware or misbehaving softwares is not the same as OS corruption
19:48:52 <meena> like, i don't even know what means
19:49:06 <Beladona> yes, i mean any or both
19:50:05 <meena> if your OS is corrupted there's no trusting that thing anymore
19:50:34 <meena> i wouldn't trust the hardware anymore either, because the firmware might be corrupted as well
19:50:40 <Beladona> How do you know if something is corrupted? anything beyond scrub?
19:51:11 <meena> I don't know what corrupted OS means, to begin with.
19:52:19 <Beladona> Freebsd files corrupted. It means.
19:54:18 <meena> yes, but depending on *how* it was corrupted there's no clear way to figure out if it's even happened, let alone figure out what exactly happened to which part of the system
19:55:55 <Beladona> Ok
19:57:03 * meena points at "trusting trust"
20:00:34 <meena> if you suspect that your OS is corrupted, you have you unplug that machine from the power and the Internet and not let any electrons come close to it
20:01:46 <meena> then you plug the disks into a secured machine, pass then thru to a virtual machine with all the tooling installed to analyse what happened
20:01:48 <Beladona> ok :)
20:02:01 <Beladona> I am still looking for more advanced strategy.
20:02:17 <Beladona> I will be searching internet more
20:03:27 <Lovis_IX> if you want to secure your infrastructure too avoid an OS corruption on ONE machine, create a cluste with, for exemple and because a friend work for them) HAProxy.
20:03:51 <Lovis_IX> If I crrectly understood what you mean.
20:04:43 <Lovis_IX> correctly*
20:05:04 <Beladona> well HAProxy is a web thing. Kind of load balancer. Your suggestion is valid overall but I was talking more on controlling and hardening the OS files. E.g bad blocks, disk failures etc for starters
20:06:18 <Lovis_IX> there is other system for that, I did know them because I did use them, I talk about HAProxy to give you and idea
20:07:07 <meena> bad blocks on disks are generally marked as bad by the disk itself
20:07:10 <Lovis_IX> did not know*
20:07:38 <Beladona> Ok
20:08:33 <Lovis_IX> meena: sure, but a process who check bad block could decide o swith to the known cluste machine. Is is a dream from me?
20:10:13 <meena> Lovis_IX: smartctl can tell you how broken a disk is, you can plug that into your monitoring
20:11:03 <meena> https://www.freshports.org/net-mgmt/smartctl_exporter/
20:11:04 <VimDiesel> Title: FreshPorts -- net-mgmt/smartctl_exporter: Prometheus metrics exporter for smartctl
20:11:34 <Lovis_IX> well done meena
20:15:46 <Beladona> meena great
20:53:42 <CrtxReavr> exporter?  That's not a spelling mistake?
20:54:45 <parv> Visit the URL?
21:47:47 <Lovis_IX> Dammit, I again loose time exploring freshports.
21:48:01 <dvl> All your time belong to us..
22:04:50 <RoyalYork> If I wanted to test out the new 13.2 RC5 candidate, what should i be looking for or doing?
22:05:07 <RoyalYork> Im interested in testing out the system, but I don't know what to look for or what to report back
22:11:36 <meena> RoyalYork: if it doesn't boot or crashes, that's bad. if there's performance degradation, that's bad. If an application you used doesn't work for some reason that's bad
22:12:04 <meena> all of those should be reported
22:17:22 <RoyalYork> got it, thanks