00:00:01 i'm saying it's not supposed to be a raid0 00:00:12 oh no. thats not goign to change 00:00:27 ok, if that's the way you want to do it, you're own your own 00:00:27 Now I get it. You proposed raid1 00:00:47 that would be best. I know. better raid 10 but can't have it. 00:00:51 at least for now. 00:01:04 now you get it, after an hour? 00:01:08 board, nvme card, etc 00:01:12 rtprio sorry :) 00:01:21 its my 3rd day with freebsd 00:01:31 and zfs 00:01:41 * Letiute will catch up 00:01:49 thank you! appreciate. 00:04:37 In a mirror, if one side is a slower disk(s), then the faster disk will be read/written at max of the lower disk speed? thus making no use of mirror/raid1 efficiency? thus no point in having faster disks OR in other words, "don't put slower media with fast media in mirrors" 00:05:13 * Letiute off in 2 mins 00:06:23 i wouldn't mix slow and fast in the same mirror 00:07:08 will the effect be same as I wrote? 00:07:34 it will destroy the core efficiency of faster medium 00:11:31 Letiute: basically. 00:12:08 regardless what kind of raid you're building, you want the same kind of drives. same type, performance and size 00:13:10 yes ideally 00:13:24 thank you! 00:13:30 * Letiute leaves 00:13:57 you can stack different parts of the system onto different types of media, but it makes no sense to build a single system out of different base components 00:14:46 they've been bouncing between this channel and #zfs all weekend, it's been... something.- 00:15:08 imagine… building a wall, with different bricks, but the bricks don't even almost match up, and I'm talking to myself 00:15:47 meena: and the bricklayer doesn't seem to listen to you 00:17:00 * meena points at the Indus Valley, where people knew how to lay bricks 9000 years ago 00:17:24 and here we have someone trying to reinvent it, poorly 00:17:52 this is why kids need to play with Lego before you let them have a go at video games 00:19:05 * parv is glad there is now "History of the World, Part 2" after all, as was *strongly suggested by "History of the World, Part 1" 00:20:03 i mean i had a frankensystem with a half dozen mismatched hard drives and did some stupid tricks 00:20:38 but only used it for test data before going out and buying six identical drives 00:21:09 debdrup: you may say that again!.. 00:21:43 I was always a read up on theory before touching hardware type, because hardware can explode… 00:22:04 I haven't been in the zfs channel, but that one has been, as you put it, «... something» 00:23:14 i especially love the need to always hilight someone when another thing crops up 00:23:23 i'm fascinated that people have been willing to put up with that. 00:23:55 is this the fabled support vampire? 00:24:52 meena: yes. 00:28:00 there is a risk in using labels like support vampire, in so far as how they relate to highly technical fields 00:28:43 it'd be quite unreasonable for someone only 3 days into a technical field to be expected to give back 00:29:56 what rubs me the wrong way is the constant asking for advice, then throwing away half of the advice because it's not the answer they were looking for, which i fear stems from a notion all too common among experts in some subject matter (which i'm also occationally guilty of myself, i might add) 00:31:02 but, like, are they an expert in their field? 00:31:06 also the bouncing between places to get half-answers 00:31:19 i would be surprised if they aren't an expert in _a_ field 00:32:01 i don't know them, i can't speak to what they might be experts in, but i think i've seen enough to recognize it from when i do it 00:34:00 another thing that rubs me the wrong way is when they refer to using the handbook and manual pages; the handbook is a fine place to start, but we all know it doesn't (and can't) have all the answers - whereas the manual pages are more of a reference work that you use when you need to know the exact incantation to invoke the elder gods of awk and grep, or some such 00:34:32 i _wish_ i'd had allan and mwls zfs and advanced zfs books when i started, i'd have _devoured_ them whole 00:35:38 and i have no clue what do about any of it, but also don't actively wish ill upon the person in question, because they're trying and it's hard to fault that 00:35:59 so now i'm just having a little winge in public, i guess :v 00:44:06 * AmyMalik looks at the output of sysutils/intel-pcm built to run on Linux, and run on Linux... sees the package C-state distribution... 00:44:13 This isn't the smoking gun, but it is the smoke. 01:01:19 On FreeBSD, for some reason or other (while I'm inclined to believe it's my fault somehow, I have also explicitly configured hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C8 so it SHOULD be letting the CPU drop unless it's some kind of quirks mode), while the cores drop to C7 just fine, the package doesn't go under C3. On Linux, pcm tells me that there are package drops as deep as C8. 01:02:40 (this is still only the smoke) 01:03:50 what do you mean by package drops in this context? 01:04:02 It's just inaccurate language. ignore me 01:04:30 I'm just mumbling into the channel 01:06:31 I'll stop dumping thought process here 01:26:31 * AmyMalik downloads the Intel 64 Software Developer's Manual 01:59:18 huh. 02:15:06 HUH. 06:05:17 07:32:05 Hi all, I have a crapton of stuff in all my jails' /var/spool/clientmqueue ; how can I make sure I either a) don't ever hear or read about that ever again or b) deliver mail to an email address that actually can receive email? (postmaster⊙jfd doesn't, conenction refused). NB: sendmail_enable="NONE" in all rc.conf files of all jails 07:32:20 I was searching for utf-8 support on the console @ https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2009-July/009351.html. Does "he kernel will use a table 07:32:22 to remap all Unicode characters to CP437 (the default VGA font), so it's 07:32:24 practically useless. 07:32:38 sorry got posted before i could finish type. 07:33:28 moviuro: I reckon it's stuff that cron or periodic produced 07:33:49 meena: peeking into files, it *looks* like periodic (not cron) 07:34:01 Does this statement " The kernel will use a table to remap all Unicode characters to CP437 (the default VGA font), so its practically useless" mean that there is no point following the work around for utf8 support on console in freebsd? 07:34:36 that sounds very outdated, vt supports unicode 07:34:50 moviuro: https://gist.github.com/c77ed494e102977c9fd06ce9b053cda0 07:34:51 Title: disable sendmail on FreeBSD, completely. · GitHub 07:35:18 yuripv: oh okay, sorry I am new to freebsd. Thanks for the info. 07:35:51 thank you meena , I'll purge those directories and disable everything. I'll be back in a few weeks if my machines still act up 07:35:52 alternatively, you could disable periodic if you don't need it 07:36:13 yuripv: i was just installing zsh and tried powerlvl10k customization and when i set console to use zsh, the icons show as boxes. what could be the reason? 07:36:15 periodic_enable="NO" in rc.conf(5) ? 07:39:50 sozuba: missing glyphs in available console fonts, i'd guess 07:39:53 Missing console fonts 07:41:19 yuripv: parv got it , thanks :) 07:41:23 moviuro: probably. check rc.conf(5) 09:19:21 anyelse can help me to debug www/redmine50 ? 09:19:22 https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?4b42299fb221a340#ErtjFQpyhdXFASdvG9aX3ztZdjQTB6tYBD5tzWdCoBdm 09:19:24 Title: PrivateBin 09:22:51 is rubygem-bundler installed? 09:23:33 yes 09:24:10 Does md5 (or sha256, etc) command read a chunk of a file, calculate intermediate result; read another chunk, calculate another result; at the end of reading whole file, spit out the combined result? 09:25:39 parv: given the nature of the algorithm, i would say: 🤷🏻‍♀️ 09:26:25 i think, for sha256 anyway, that each chunk is combined 09:26:30 until the end 09:26:37 white-wolf: what's the trouble with building? what options are you setting? 09:27:08 I think I'm going to slo to geep 09:27:09 default options 09:27:26 * rtprio shakes his fist at ruby 09:28:16 use passenger en nginx 09:28:36 in my past i link my tutorial based 09:29:58 white-wolf: if you're using default options, then you might as well pkg install 09:30:14 What does `bsdinstall jail /foo/bar` actually do? Just downlads and unpacks selected tarballs? 09:31:42 ccx: essentially… also some config stuff 09:32:30 I want to automate installing jails and I'm wondering if I should bother trying to automate bsdinstall or just script what it does. 09:34:05 ccx: IIRC, bsdinstall can be scripted, but most jail managers I've read the source code of do it themselves 09:35:58 https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?65e6511328f45493#F8PXMXY2DNRbR9impEmiGpCzetdsos3LDznkbqtDGEKX 09:35:59 Title: PrivateBin 09:36:26 kthnx; I don't think I care for any of the configuration it does anyway. But having something that fetches and verifies current base.txz could be handy. 09:36:56 with the tutorial, use posgrsql and mginx 09:37:04 with passanger 09:38:21 white-wolf: i think it's mysql-server but `ls /usr/local/etc/rc.d/` and see for yourself 09:39:35 why don't rbenv / rvm work on freebsd 09:40:25 Is there a way i can use a nerd font (meslo nf) on vt console? I tried converting the relevant .ttf to .fnt to be used. But failed. I am trying to us powerlevel10k theme of zsh and when using zsh by default, the vt console tty shows empty squares/ 09:40:40 rtprio: nobody cared enough to make it work? 09:41:12 meena: rbenv is in ports, but naturally won't install the version of ruby i need 09:41:30 sozuba: i really doubt it 09:42:04 rtprio: thanks for the response. any idea what could be teh reason? 09:42:10 sozuba: what failed? 09:42:53 meena seeting a nerd font (meslo nf) as default font for tty to diaply the glyphs/icons for the powerlevel10k theme of zsh 09:42:58 setting* 09:43:13 but the conversion worked? 09:44:23 meena: yes it did, but when i set it using vidcontrol, i get "bad magic in font file" 09:45:26 --- 09:45:29 ' 09:45:31 then maybe it didn't really work? 09:45:53 tsoome has been summoned 09:46:09 yes:) 09:46:24 meena: oh okay 09:46:31 this mini-me is doing his thing:) 09:46:35 Is there a public log of this channel? 09:47:22 not that i'm aware of 09:47:47 Aye 09:47:59 i think i have some logs 09:49:37 * parv needs something (more) stateless than IRC due to local network issues 09:50:42 * parv forgot to add: with history 09:50:42 like a better connection, or an irc bouncer 09:50:51 rtprio, https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?9358e20c85829ac8#SqEqQRHiFxckPzMVLLr5R4VWvvsrUkFQ3XWW9xJ6iUZ 09:50:53 Title: PrivateBin 09:50:58 oracle cloud has free freebsd vms 09:51:02 small ones, but enough for irc 09:51:35 rtprio, Thanks; will look into that 09:52:16 white-wolf: you need to run bundle in the source directory, and you shouldn't run it is root 09:52:24 is there a package for redmine50 ? 09:52:41 yes pkg 09:52:55 rtprio: what, exactly, are you trying to do? 09:53:51 install redmine 5.0? with what database? how? ports / pkg? (use pkg if you're doing default options) 09:54:24 (i am trying to get my mastodon working again, after a pkg upgrade bumped ruby to 3.1 and all hell broke loose) 09:54:54 at some point the default ruby version was bumped also 09:54:59 * meena whispers something about GoToSocial 09:55:43 rtprio, (I might be following you already) What is your account (when it would be working)? 09:56:10 @elliot⊙mn 09:57:38 isn't there something in make.conf to keep the ruby default back 09:59:10 rtprio, https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?be6ed2fff04b4931#DwQGH9hE2prmQJDeDKaYkhifKULAUZWinmChL9g9moeY 09:59:11 Title: PrivateBin 10:00:33 rtprio, Python & Perl do (DEFAULT_VERSIONS+= python=3.11 python3=3.11; perl has been recent enough for me ). Check ports/Mk if Ruby has similar 10:02:08 white-wolf: you're crossing the streams here; either build it from ports or build it yourself. it's going to get very messy trying to do both 10:02:43 sorry can you explain ? 10:03:00 the port is supposed to do those commands 10:03:15 have you tried installing the package? `pkg install redmine50` ? 10:05:22 yes as you saying 10:05:24 https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?696c4139168e944f#jvXA5rFRhNGuoMjntxpmnw98bfrofMHCYXNAk9uxmKt 10:05:25 Title: PrivateBin 10:05:56 have you checked our log files for details about the error? 10:08:11 https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?a057a5f4ec56353f#78gRHm1Hpk64FSbBVU7rGZbGT9cnQWpNyExejTFpZrSY 10:08:12 Title: PrivateBin 10:08:25 meena: i think i'll switch. 10:09:31 white-wolf: is thre a gemfile in that usr/local/www/redmine ? 10:09:55 yes 10:11:22 set RAILS_ENV=production 10:11:38 i think you want export RAILS_ENV=production 10:13:50 i do 10:14:10 meena: haha, there's a gap in my timeline from 5 minutes ago to Feb 12th 10:17:41 rtprio: 😬 10:18:03 rtprio, how restart to zero ? purge all pkg and config file and retry ? 10:18:18 white-wolf: i don't think you need to do that 10:18:26 just change 'set' to 'export' and try again 10:19:44 export: Command not found. 10:20:30 are you using csh? 10:21:15 yes i think 10:22:15 i don't know man, i hate ruby; all the cool kids are using gitea or whatever they call themselves now 10:22:27 computers were a mistake, sand was never supposed to think 10:22:41 # echo $SHELL 10:23:06 /bin/csh 10:23:11 csh, is an unusual choice, but ok 10:23:14 bundle exec rake -T 10:23:18 does it print the list of tasks? 10:24:14 https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?afe6721e2230b339#Hf89aWju5ebfMWYW4HyhMpBRGviBRkfArwdzAxQTH4K1 10:24:15 Title: PrivateBin 10:25:16 ... that's not what i typed at all 10:25:24 slow down 10:25:48 https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?0892bdbd24040dd8#Fo3pg7zPXEfFJZC4AU6qxCsLT3uiwtfwQB6YcR72n9eD 10:25:50 Title: PrivateBin 10:27:37 you might need to db:create the database first. assuming you've alrady configured database.yml 10:27:37 ccx: https://man.freebsd.org/bsdinstall(8)#SCRIPTING i think this is still pretty neat no matter how limited 10:27:38 Title: bsdinstall(8) 10:29:21 https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?e5ff9b17f5042265#HeeVjQc57PaktgG44AFxhMmd4FgFejkbqFgFkqEg7SQh 10:29:23 Title: PrivateBin 10:29:27 https://www.freshports.org/security/pam_rssh/ this looks quite useful 10:29:29 Title: FreshPorts -- security/pam_rssh: Remote sudo authenticated via ssh-agent 10:32:33 does that work with our OpenSSH? 10:34:03 rtprio, after ?? in localhost:3000 i have always the same error 10:36:39 meena: it uses ssh-agent, so i'm not sure i understand the question 10:39:17 ah, right, so, uhm 10:40:45 yes? go on 10:41:01 full disclosure, i've not used it at all, i just saw it mentioned on mastodon 10:42:17 so when sudo wants a password, it asks pam, which in turn asks the socket and then you have to press your Yubi key, and everyone is happy? 10:42:19 romain linked https://github.com/z4yx/pam_rssh/issues/8 there, which is how i found out about it 10:42:20 Title: Ready for distribution / production ? · Issue #8 · z4yx/pam_rssh · GitHub 10:42:29 meena: that does seem to be the i dea 10:43:37 meena: presumably it requires an openssh new enough to support yubikey 10:44:00 that's what i meant, i don't think we have that in any release right now 10:44:06 we don't? 10:44:34 and if we do, i think we stripped the fido libraries for some reason. my memory is foggy 10:45:23 is it just FIDO or is it U2F and FIDO2 too? 10:46:38 10:44 my memory is very foggy 10:46:51 https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/commit/d0f1f38202c4 10:46:52 Title: FreeBSD / src / d0f1f38202c4 - FreshBSD 10:47:07 it looks like it's also something that's actively changing 10:48:13 https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/commit/a613d68fff9af037 has been merged to stabe/13 this febuary, so i think it should be in 13.2-RELEASE? 10:48:14 Title: FreeBSD / src / a613d68fff9af037 - FreshBSD 10:48:40 https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?0be8ec345f38c560#CYcXFYunYJJo1TjnGTKbr9ZRS6W7m3kjxwS3yAm6civU 10:48:42 Title: PrivateBin 10:49:26 debdrup: ooh, i missed that! cool 10:49:38 meena: i did too, i only just saw it now 10:52:31 I did see this bit the other day tho: "devd integration is not included in this change, and is under investigation for the base system. In the interim the security/u2f-devd port can be installed to provide appropriate devd rules." 10:53:37 rtprio, https://paste.blues-softwares.net/?f65d41aefc6ab2ae#43vx9imsbBzoEhLCFmNyBuXjBVaz8HhtKWReiWAVCSwb 10:53:39 Title: PrivateBin 11:15:50 rtprio, how can i restart all to zero ? i think when i do mistake need restart... may be need juste install redmine50 and servce onestart but do anything 11:30:50 someone told me here it is possible to write my own installation script for freebsd 11:30:55 i did it as sh script 11:31:12 but someone told me it is possible to script an installer itself 11:31:19 how can i do that 11:31:20 ? 11:32:10 see the man page https://man.freebsd.org/bsdinstall(8)#SCRIPTING 11:32:12 Title: bsdinstall(8) 11:32:42 thanks 11:36:42 hm, seems like it doesn't fetch distribution files in scripted mode 11:37:16 well my sh script extract base and configure disk 11:37:29 i am looking for just gui probably 11:37:50 to choose some options and press install 11:38:01 to install os my way 11:59:01 you can use poudriere to build an image that contains the software (and configuration) you want using poudriere-image, the packagelist functionality, and the overlay directory functionality 12:00:00 it can build a zfs image which can then be updated using zfs replication streams of boot environments that're built later 12:22:44 switching to vt console and back to wm (hyprland) from vt console, causes a series of "QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ"s printed on the terminal in the dm, does this happen to anyone? 12:25:18 oooks ike it happens only with kitty 12:25:29 looks like* 13:20:27 Is this correct? `zfs create zroot/pg-lg /pg-lg/` 13:21:13 Letiute: correct how? for doing what 13:21:49 want to create a dataset for /pg-lg/ path and treat it with different compression level 13:22:57 meena ^ 13:23:11 you should directly set options you want to set while creating then, see -o 13:23:48 ok 13:24:27 and it is the mountpoint property, not some path you give zfs create on the command line 13:26:33 it was zfs create -o mountpoint=/pg-lg/ zroot/pg-lg 13:26:51 I get default compression on. with zstd-3. Is that correct? 13:27:03 is zstd-3 good for databases? i thought to make it zstd-1 13:27:56 oh, inherited from zroot 13:28:00 thanks 13:28:50 I throught you wanted to change the compression property? 13:29:06 I did. zfs set compress... 13:29:13 looks good now 13:29:23 btw, I heard default compresion level is zstd-3 13:29:29 so is that a sweetspot? 13:29:39 is that good for databases data? 13:29:47 or I should do zstd-1 13:29:52 or just try and see/observ 13:36:36 the default should be fine if you don't have a reason to use another, it is the default because it should work fine for most usecases 13:38:28 also, it's only inherited at creation time, IIRC, if you change zroot's compression after creating datasets it won't cascade down 13:38:42 I might be wrong, somebody correct me 13:40:10 nimaje so zstd3 is the default? 13:40:24 meena ok 13:47:55 Letiute: if you read the man page, it might have that info 13:48:13 it's hard to remember everything, and things do change over time 13:48:49 its 3 13:51:07 # ls -la /pg-lg/ -> drwxr-xr-x 2 postgres postgres 2 Mar 20 16:25 ./ -> postgres is the owner 13:51:08 create tablespace pglgtablespace owner leadgen location '/pg-lg/'; 13:51:08 # alter database leadgen2 tablespace pglgtablespace; -> WARNING: could not open directory "pg_tblspc/12054613/PG_15_202209061/12054615": No such file or directory 13:51:20 Did I missed anything? 13:51:21 3. 13:52:20 I don't know half of what you're doing, so i don't know what you missed. 13:54:11 also, the only database I use is SQLite, because it doesn't require me to wear a ceremonial brown robe and dim the lights when using it https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Behavioral-Deficiencies- 13:54:12 Title: Behavioral Deficiencies - The Daily WTF 13:56:05 ok 13:58:02 that is to say: while we probably have a large overlap, this isn't #postgresql 14:01:14 meena: but the robes and the chanting are the best part 14:01:37 if you gotta be in a cult, at least make it one with robes and chanting 14:02:09 I found that this is a freebsd directory permission issue. Despite owner being postgres user, it does not work. Bu it does work if chmod 777 is there. Maybe more chanting will help 14:03:05 debdrup: I prefer white robes. looks a lot better with blood sacrifice once it inevitable turns that way 14:04:28 that seems like a lot of effort to get a red robe 14:04:30 Letiute: if you have to chmod 777, and it's not chmod 1777 /tmp, something is broken 14:04:53 what does /tmp has to do with it? 14:05:13 it's the only directory that should be world write-executable 14:06:44 so tmp was the issue? https://termbin.com/0qij 14:07:12 `1777`? 14:07:16 meena ^ 14:07:36 * meena should drop her flowery language 14:07:46 riddle me this, batman. 14:08:13 maybe a new kind of permission is invented that I was not aware of 14:31:56 what's software raid methods are their in freebsd? Googling isn't helping, or I'm not understanding. I'm trying to avoid ZFS because of CoW 14:37:18 what is your problem with cow on zfs? 15:04:57 don't need it, and it causes fragmentation if using iSCSI and go above 50% ish full 15:08:49 Some would argue fragmentation on a multi-user OS is a good thing, as it provides an interleave. 15:11:52 my storage isn't made of IOPS 15:12:20 Hopefully a simple question, but is anyone able to suggest an editor or utility for freebsd that will present output without wrapping lines? Maybe there's a setting in vi to prevent it, but I guess I'm looking for low-hanging fruit for now. 15:14:15 gnuself: Here's a fairly low-hanging one: less -S 15:14:43 oijark: Wonderful, thank you very much! 15:14:58 gnuself: As for vi, you can :set nowrap 15:15:58 vkarlsen: I tried that, but it's not an option in mine when listing "set all" 15:18:32 gnuself: I see, the bundled vi doesn't have it 15:18:57 maybe an improvement from vim and not a vi feature 15:22:17 vkarlsen: no worries, I started there when beginning my web searches. Just trying to read rows of data on a vertical monitor... *the struggle* 15:51:23 hello folks 15:53:02 I'm trying to compile something and its telling me 'storage size of statbuf isnt known' when creating a `struct stat' structure for a `stat(...)' call. I am assuming its missing the correct structure definitions so i'd like to ask where its normally located under FreeBSD-13.1-p7 15:53:43 The version is also a RELEASE version 15:59:49 I think /pg-lg/ is a dataset itself. That is why this error is coming? https://imgur.com/NnA6Lli.png 16:00:10 hm, the man page tells me sys/stat.h, but how do you get stat(…) without that? 16:01:58 gzar: which function are you using> look at the manpage for that an inclide the headers 16:03:28 seems like the code missed a sys/stat.h include directive in a specific file 16:04:17 it works now, thanks for the help 16:06:11 Letiute: did you configure your database in /etc/rc.conf and then did a service postgresql initdb && service postgresql start ? 16:06:35 nimaje do I have to do that everytime for every new db? 16:06:37 Letiute: does PostgreSQL know that it should be using /pg-lg/ to store its data? 16:06:46 meena tablespace should tell 16:07:08 nimaje I have a db already running right now. this was a new db though 16:10:10 nimaje postgresql_enable="yes" is in rc.conf 16:10:20 I already have 2 databses runing in pg 16:10:42 nimaje do I have to initdb everytime for every new db? 16:10:43 nimaje do I have to initdb everytime for every new db? 16:10:47 sorry for repeat 16:12:23 have you tried #postgresql ? they might know 16:14:19 or else, their documentation. I hear PostgreSQL has really excellent documentation and a really friendly community 16:15:01 no idea, the error message read like it is missing some files and it seemed like you wanted some new seperated db, that's why I suggested setting it up in rc.conf and using initdb 16:29:11 pg people blame fs maybe but I am trying. looks like it just worked.. I restarted pg.. 17:30:50 is it possible to run a program in 32bit mode ? 17:53:23 gzar: if the programme is 32 bit, and you have the 32 bit libraries installed (default for most supported platforms) then, yes, it's possible 17:53:56 where can i get a 32bit JVM ? 17:54:22 I think they stopped making those about 12 years ago 17:59:05 or maybe I'm wrong, https://www.freshports.org/java/openjdk11/ 17:59:06 Title: FreshPorts -- java/openjdk11: Java Development Kit 11 17:59:27 too much sun / oracle propaganda about 64 bit is better 18:00:35 that is available for i386 18:08:15 im asking because some companies still use 32bit jvm and i need to use their software 18:17:02 lib32 should make it possible 18:17:59 so java programs, shouldn't they just don't care if the jvm is 32bit or 64bit? (except for the cases they need more memory than a 32bit jvm can handle) 18:20:41 Hi I have problems with my probook 650 wireless card: 802.11 broadcom (couldnt find anything more specific). I have loaded the if_bwn.ko kernel module yet sysctl net.wlan.devices doesnt show anything. Is this just a unspported wireless card? 18:20:57 for some reason this application complains about not being able to use 32bit libraries on a 64bit jvm when it tries to load the SWT library 18:21:08 ElectricJozin: is it listed as supported on https://www.landonf.org/code/freebsd/Broadcom_WiFi_Improvements.20180122.html ? 18:21:09 Title: Landon Fuller: FreeBSD Broadcom Wi-Fi Improvements 18:21:28 ah, yes bundled dependencies 18:21:35 its hitachi pdi (pentaho-data-integration) just for the record 18:23:55 maybe you can install swt and get it to use the system one, instead of their bundled one, but if it doesn't work by just installing swt, then it is probably easier to install a 32bit jvm 18:26:10 debdrup, nope its a BCM943228HMB 18:26:22 just opened up the laptop and doubled checked it and it is the one 18:26:41 ElectricJozin: better hope it can be replaced with one that is supported, then 18:27:17 otherwise, you'll likely need a wifi dongle 18:27:18 debdrup, what chance is there that I can replace it with a wireless card from another laptop 18:27:27 I have another elitebook 18:28:05 ElectricJozin: no idea, it depends on the interface (mini-pcie or m.2?), and whether the firmware accepts arbitrary devices (not all firmware does). 18:29:26 debdrup, its minipcie and about the firmware - just try it out is the way to figure it out? 18:30:06 ElectricJozin: typically, yes 18:30:48 typically firmware locks hardware access by pci device ids, so it's also possible to modify the firmware (this is what's often done for thinkpads) 18:34:03 dch: howdy! 18:36:06 debdrup, and for something like this: Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6200, Dual Band 18:36:14 where should I look for driver support 18:36:31 ElectricJozin: iwn(4) should support that 18:36:35 I dissasambled two laptops and this is the second I found (the first had another broadcom) 18:36:48 debdrup, a guess? 18:36:55 ElectricJozin: it's listed in the manual page 18:37:26 https://wiki.freebsd.org/dev/iwn%284%29 also listed here 18:37:28 Title: dev/iwn(4) - FreeBSD Wiki 18:38:21 hrm, my connection seems terrible. I’m going to drop, set up a bouncer for myself, then I’d love to talk 13.2 on ampere. 18:39:09 debdrup, I see ok btw since I am kind of new to freebsd (10minutes new). Do kernel modules load automatically or do they all have to be loaded manually? 18:41:42 ElectricJozin: that depends, /etc/rc.d/devmatch is a script that matches every device against device identifiers and loads the module if one is found - but if you want to load something that isn't loaded according to kldstat -vv, then there's a few ways of loading it (which option you use depends on what you want to load). 18:41:57 the devmatch script gets run automatically as part of the system startup 18:51:17 debdrup, just replaced it and it works! thanks 18:56:34 rtprio I think #2 (changed) will not have boot records so it won't boot despite being a mirror to #1? https://jamboard.google.com/d/18hni1wEORDsOwjxoVvgqYZ-p1f8y7Mjur4in1ecJMuM/viewer?pli=1&f=0 18:56:36 Title: Storage topology - Google Jamboard 18:57:13 debdrup, one last weird question: for you personally if windows is the top of the iceberg and next is linux freebsd etc whats deeper than that. Whats more performant, more bare bones than freebsd. Whats the gentoo of the bsd world? 18:58:09 ElectricJozin: i switched away from windows in march of 2000, because windows sucked. used linux for about a week, then decided it sucked because of lack of documentation. i've been using freebsd ever since. 18:58:25 i'm not the right person to ask that question, nor do i think it's a question that belong in #freebsd 18:59:04 debdrup, right thanks anyway 18:59:28 as for your specific example, the only thing i know about gentoo is that it took its best ideas from freebsd, so if that means something then freebsd is probably the answer to your question. 19:00:21 i'm also really suspect of the iceberg analogy, since it mostly comes up in connection with conspiracy theories, and that's a whole can of worms that i'd rather not engage with. 19:05:26 Letiute: stop using raid0 19:05:32 yes sir! 19:05:56 how many times do i need to tell you 19:06:00 0 19:06:03 * Letiute waves 19:08:09 raid0 or not raid 0, my point is that if OS disk is mirrored, the bootlaoder won't be mirrored. If primary drive fails, The mirror won't boot. Correct? 19:13:21 debdrup, I keep getting wlan0: no link ... giving up 19:13:29 is there any other kernel module I am suppose to load 19:13:38 did you read the manual page? 19:13:43 I did 19:13:54 did you read the part about needing to load the firmware too? 19:14:16 yes I have if_iwn_load="YES" 19:14:24 in loader.conf 19:14:36 that's the driver, not the firmware. 19:16:31 the word firmware literally isnt mentioned in the whole handbook 19:16:48 yes it is. 19:17:10 wait, why are you talking about the handbook suddenly? 19:17:47 ....where else should I look :| 19:17:57 hopsies 19:17:59 in the iwn(4) manual page, like i told you 19:18:57 it instructs you to load not just the driver, but also a set of things that include the letters "fw" 19:30:51 debdrup, so I included all of them now I get: iwn0: iwn_read_firmware ucode=xxxxx 19:30:55 still the same issue though 19:32:35 try running `dhclient wlan0` as root 19:34:19 debdrup, same 19:35:48 so the dhcpd on the other end is too slow to respond? 19:35:56 i assume you can use dhcp on other machines? 19:36:23 I do 19:36:56 I never noticed the wifi was that slow 19:37:14