00:06:25 <kevans> spork_css: wait, where's this one coming from? Mar 13 19:35:12 php8 cron[4710]: setpriority 'root' (daemon): Permission denied
00:07:04 <kevans> just adding a job for a bogus `nice -n -5 echo hi` doesn't push stderr to cron log
00:08:27 <kevans> a-ha, that's from libutil! setusercontext() emits it
00:10:38 <kevans> so it's failing a setpriority before it even hits your nice(1) invocation
00:20:50 <DrKK`> building mongodb in ports is taking a long. long. time.
00:31:33 <DrKK`> lord have mercy we're now at like 40 minutes
00:31:38 <DrKK`> and still building mongodb44
00:43:16 <kevans> spork_css: so the take-away, I think, is that you've nice'd cron itself in the jail before any of this and it's just trying to set nice to 0 before it execs
00:51:12 <DrKK`> and STILL building mongodb44
01:22:48 <spork_css> kevans: interesting - I mean, I'm not *intentionally* nicing cron yet... root         88139  0.0  0.0   25452  10016  -  SNsJ 03:40   0:01.05 /usr/sbin/cron -J 15 -s
01:23:32 <spork_css> my only cron flags: cron_flags="$cron_flags -J 15"
01:25:00 <spork_css> And I just restarted it and no more nice flag in the ps output, odd.
02:33:18 <victori> yikes freebsd 13.2 has some issues with sendfile hanging
02:33:20 <victori> yay beadm + zfs
04:35:05 <AmyMalik> I need to write a divert driver that can implement access controls based on a geolocation database lookup
04:35:41 <AmyMalik> I'm not going to, of course - nor will I expect any of this augúst audience to do so - but the fact remains that it is something that I need to do.
05:15:05 <rtprio> that doesn't sound fun
07:04:50 <cedb> is there a way to buildworld without building the whole of llvm first?
07:05:01 <cedb> aka use a binary pkg of the required toolchain?
07:05:28 <angry_vincent> Yes.
07:06:52 <angry_vincent> pkg install llvm15 && make -j$(sysctl -n hw.ncpu) CROSS_TOOLCHAIN=llvm15 WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes buildworld buildkernel
07:07:16 <cedb> oh wow now that is a satifsying
07:07:30 <cedb> oh its that pesky without_toolchain
07:08:54 <angry_vincent> ( don't do make delete-old ever, when doing this way, warning )
07:09:52 <cedb> oh thanks but i can afford a little danger since its a qemu vm
07:10:26 <cedb> which btw, scaling the graphical env properly with virt-viewer is a nightmare (got the whole emulator/qemu-guest-agent  thing set up but still)
07:12:16 <parv> angry_vincent, Why would "delete-old" be an issue?
07:23:01 <angry_vincent> parv: it will delete compiler bits. is what i had on several occasions
07:23:16 <angry_vincent> then you will get cc not found, etc
07:24:01 <angry_vincent> and there is no straightforward way of compiling ports with external toolchain in simialr fashion base system can be built
07:24:11 <angry_vincent> it needs some tinkering :)
07:28:09 <angry_vincent> i.e manual definition of CC, AR, NM, LD, STRIP ( and many others ) in make.conf
07:37:29 * parv sighs for local network being rather twitchy today; one more try ...
08:11:33 <cedb> wouldnt you just be able to install a toolchain with pkg for ports?
08:16:31 <angry_vincent> as i said, ports is a framework that has defined compiler variables, which are suited to the compiler in base system. to be abl to use compiler, which is installed from port ( pkg install llvm15, for example ), you need to do quite a lot of manual definitions. for example CC=/usr/local/bin/clang15, CPP=/usr/local/bin/clang-cpp15 et cetera
08:17:54 <angry_vincent> and, then, you may fall into case, when not all software can be compiled that way, u eto fact llvm has no stable abi.
08:19:39 <angry_vincent> it is somehow annoying, if your tinkering expectations  are higher than allowed level.
08:43:34 <rtprio> ok, but... why would you want to do that
08:44:39 <angry_vincent> just a matter of having single compiler for everything.
08:46:43 <nimaje> wait,  make CROSS_TOOLCHAIN=llvm15 delete-old  would delete parts of the crosstoolchain? that sounds like a serious bug
08:49:29 <nimaje> (and also a reason why you don't want to use a privileged user to build stuff)
08:49:53 <angry_vincent> no, its when you set WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes, build your system with CROSS_TOOLCHAIN and run make delete old, will remove compiler parts of base system
08:50:42 <nimaje> still a bug
08:50:51 <angry_vincent> i guess so, yes
08:56:36 <bsdbandit> good morning im trying to change the color of freebsd's boot text do i need to recompile the kernel to do this ?
08:56:58 <bsdbandit> and if so what options do i need to add to the kernel  config file
09:05:18 <parvXirc> Re WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN & delete-old, seems to be as-expected to me
09:06:00 <parvXirc> That is what happens with any WITHOUT* option in use followed by delete-old{,-libs}
09:07:24 <parvXirc> Why would I keep the base compiler etc when installed via ports
09:11:00 <nimaje> ah, base-compiler, so it operates on the running system, not on the build files (I expected something like a clean target), but why is there a base compiler on a system build with WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes?
09:34:53 <angry_vincent> i think it is not well documented.
11:28:14 <bsdbandit> good morning everyone
11:45:18 <yourfate> can freebsd resize a ZFS partition while running? I'm asking b/c I want to run it on an rpi, and the image only uses a small part of the SD
11:51:18 <meena> yourfate: yes. and unlike the other BSDs it can also resize UFS online
11:55:17 <yourfate> nice
11:58:39 <parvXirc> Dang it! Could not "read -p" inside a "while" loop; had to switch to a "for" loop which now needs to use command substituion ($( ... ))
12:00:12 <parvXirc> s/substituion/substitution/
12:01:11 <parvXirc> ( Well not a large enough hill to switch to Perl|Python )
12:03:39 <parvXirc> ... only if "zfs-destroy(8)" would work on a *list* of datasets  (sigh) # along with "zfs-snapshot(8)".
12:04:28 <nimaje> why would read -p in a while loop not work? (my small test here works, so it is probably something else for you)
12:04:29 <parvXirc> (too late here; later)
12:08:07 <parvXirc> nimaje, https://termbin.com/im4m
12:11:22 <nimaje> ah, yes, pipeing to the while and wanting to read from the outter stdin is more difficult
12:14:44 <yourfate> disk encryption: so far I used LUKS with AES-adiantum on the pi, as "regular" AES was suuuper slow
12:15:06 <yourfate> but it looks like ZFS doesn't support that cipher
12:21:51 <nimaje> to bad parvXirc left already, using more filedescriptors would work, eg with  exec 5<&0  and  read <&5 -p …
12:59:26 <Agenomoto> Hi
12:59:55 <Agenomoto> Is "current" stable enough (more than linux stability)? what will I miss if I use "release"
13:00:15 <Agenomoto> ref: I am a linux user trying to migrate to bsd
13:00:21 <Agenomoto> for desktop and server use
13:01:54 <nimaje> just use a release, current is the development branch
13:03:03 <Agenomoto> oh
13:03:05 <Agenomoto> then no go.
13:03:12 <Agenomoto> how about "stable"?
13:06:09 <nimaje> also development branches, named stable, because they should have a stable ABI https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#stable
13:06:11 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 25. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
13:07:32 <Agenomoto> nimaje oh.. then 'release' is the only way to go. I wonder why netflix uses 'stabl'e iirc?
13:11:29 <nimaje> afaik they also develop for freebsd, so they probably tested the commit in stable they run in production enought for them (if they run stable in production), important quote from the page I linked "It is particularly important not to update any production servers to FreeBSD-STABLE without thoroughly testing the code in a development or testing environment."
13:12:25 <Agenomoto> nimaje oh.. interesting
13:27:06 <Agenomoto> Can freebsd read btrfs FS?
13:35:50 <domlaut> Agenomoto: https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/fusefs-lkl
13:35:51 <VimDiesel> Title: FreshPorts -- sysutils/fusefs-lkl: Full-featured Linux BTRFS, Ext4, XFS as a FUSE module
13:36:17 <domlaut> and if you're asking about kernel support - no
13:50:07 <Agenomoto> domlaut oh so it can. Thanks
13:50:30 <Agenomoto> domlaut what do you mean kernal support? what will that do that freebsd won't offer for btrfs?
13:52:31 <nimaje> that is a fuse module, so the driver will run in userland, which means that you won't be able to boot from it for example
13:52:34 <domlaut> Agenomoto: decent explanation @ https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4146/what-are-the-benefits-and-downsides-to-use-fusefs-filesystems
13:52:36 <VimDiesel> Title: fuse - What are the benefits and downsides to use FuseFS filesystems? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange
14:11:35 <NerdyMcNerdface> I'm trying to add 4 ice (intel 810) based network adapters to a bhyve VM using pci passthrough, but I run into "bhyve: vm_setup_pptdev_msix: No space left on device" when adding more than 2 network interfaces. Anyone have an idea about how to fix that?
14:14:24 <NerdyMcNerdface> (Curiously enough I can add 3 interfaces successfully on freebsd 13.1. In 13.2 I can add just 2.)
14:23:26 <michelem> Hello folks. Quick question if there's any PF expert around: does traffic filtered by PF show up on tcpdump run against the HW interface?
14:47:12 <meena> NerdyMcNerdface: it feels like that should have gone the other way. can you submit that as bug, please
14:50:36 <meena> NerdyMcNerdface: unrelatedly: i'd love to see ifconfig -a, and ibv_devices / ibv_devinfo -l (and ibv_devinfo -v) of those ice devices for my project
14:51:56 <meena> michelem: that's an excellent question! and should be in some FAQ somewhere
14:58:20 <meena> why do i feel like dch will jump on this https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/commit/a849842f510af48717e35ff709623e0dd1b80b20 immediately?
14:58:22 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD / src / a849842f510af48717e35ff709623e0dd1b80b20 - FreshBSD
15:00:20 <dch> I think that would make my day-to-day too tricky
15:01:43 <debdrup> NerdyMcNerdface: are you using iovctl to add SR-IOV virtual functions?
15:09:16 <debdrup> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/intel-e810-enable-vfs.84269/post-558784 welp.
15:09:17 <VimDiesel> Title: Solved - Intel E810 - Enable VFs | The FreeBSD Forums
15:12:28 <debdrup> I guess you can check up with Eric to see if that's changed.
15:14:27 <debdrup> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=56429daea255f mentions SR-IOV files being removed because they're unused, and no subsequent driver update of ice(4) mentions adding support for it.
15:14:28 <VimDiesel> Title: src - FreeBSD source tree
15:29:12 <NerdyMcNerdface> debdrup: no, not using SR-IOV virtual functions. Just good old plain passthrough.
15:29:42 <debdrup> SR-IOV is amazing for bhyve, though.
15:30:57 <NerdyMcNerdface> does it work with ice? and 4+ interfaces per vm?
15:46:47 <NerdyMcNerdface> (answering my own question about ice and SR-IOV / virtual funcions: No, not supported on ice.)
17:15:52 <Valeria22> I'm trying to access 20-intel.conf to fix a screen tearing issue, however when I go there, 20-intel.conf isn't there. Is that typical?
17:16:19 <Valeria22> there = /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.config.d/20-intel.conf
17:25:01 <rwp> Valeria22, I know nothing, other than that I don't have one of those files either. What indicated it should exist?
17:25:22 <rwp> I imagine that some other package with a plugin might install such a file though.
17:28:06 <rtyler> work with this cursed NAS continues =_= It's now gone offline twice in the past two days after some SSH DDoS attacks with ping responding that "no buffer space available". Just tried to down `em0` and bring it back up but the command `ifconfig em0 up` is hanging. cursed I say
17:28:43 <Valeria22> From what I understand rwp it seams 20-intel.conf comes with one of the packages for intel video drivers.
17:30:46 <rtprio> rtyler: fail2ban might help you there
17:31:46 <rtyler> rtprio: I'm already using sshguard. Anecdotal internet reports make me suspect some buffers offloaded to the NIC are getting overloaded and not properly flushed
17:33:02 <rtprio> Valeria22: no such file is in  /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel/pkg-descr
17:33:48 <rtyler> how frustrating that `ifconfig em0 up` is just hung. I would like to avoid rebooting this box some more but that's what fixed this last time. I might have to rummage around to find a less cursed NIC
17:35:16 <Valeria22> I must be mistaken then.
17:37:18 <rwp> Valeria22, You are not mistaken that the file does not exist and that no pkg-plist contains it either.
17:37:42 <rwp> I ran a find-grep through all of ports looking and did not find anything matching 20-intel.conf either.
17:38:30 <Valeria22> Ah, so it's a manually made file then.
17:39:08 <debdrup> NerdyMcNerdface: that's what I was saying, no it appears that it hasn't been added as of the latest driver, unfortunately.
17:40:09 <debdrup> Valeria22: As a general rule, if a file being referred to doesn't exist, it's usually a safe bet that you're expected to create it.
17:40:24 <Valeria22> Thanks.
17:41:26 <rwp> I am still wondering about the seeming conflict of "NAS" and "available for Internet probes".  Those seem conflicting things. :-(
17:41:56 <debdrup> It's usually a bad idea to expose NAS' to the internet, yeah.
17:42:30 <debdrup> The network in NAS doesn't _strictly_ need to be local, but since the update frequency of NAS' can vary wildly, there's a lot of potential for problems.
17:48:25 <NerdyMcNerdface> re NAS: freebsd-update + service sshd restart regularly without a reboot is at least better than no patching and no reboot :D
17:54:20 <Valeria22> This is what I was following to try to fix my screen tearing issue, however doing it made me unable to load MATE and slim: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/intel-video-and-screentearing.72085/#post-438483
17:54:21 <VimDiesel> Title: Intel video and screentearing | The FreeBSD Forums
17:55:05 <Valeria22> Though from what I've gathered xorg.conf.d is the right directory to use not xorg.config.d
17:57:17 <Valeria22> My CPU is an i5-2520M, if that helps.
18:35:28 <Agenomoto> Hi
18:35:43 <Agenomoto>  I made a live ventoy usb for freebsd on ubuntu.  I am installing freebsd via live usb. In release version, it just reboots after first option 1 multi/single user is selected. I took picture from phone. It says something about invalid ventory gpt / partition table. I used ventoy to create iso  what should I do here?
18:40:08 <Agenomoto> how to check the usb FS? I think it uses vfat, fat32, and gpt. Is it supported in freebsd? if not so, how to change it? or correct it?
19:17:30 <Agenomoto> ok.. I am dd'ing iso to usb
20:15:10 <Agenomoto> I just installed freebsd and it didn't asked me to encryped full drive during installation. Did I missed it or freebsd doesn't have this option?
20:16:28 <coax> Agenomoto: you've missed it.
20:16:33 <Valeria22> It has the option to Agenomoto.
20:20:15 <Agenomoto> Valeria22 can you show at what screen?
20:22:11 <Agenomoto_> Valeria22 because I looked hard but didn't found that option
20:22:20 <Valeria22> Agenomoto_: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/bsdinstall/#bsdinstall-part-zfs
20:22:22 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 2. Installing FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
20:22:33 <Valeria22> The 'Encrypt Disks?' option.
20:24:31 <Agenomoto_> yes, I missed it. I am going to reinstall and ecrypt this time. even the swap. I hope this is ok Valeria22 ?
20:27:27 <Agenomoto_> or can I encrypt now?
20:28:15 <mystic> hello guys. I posted a question on forums.freebsd.org but it's disappeared... why ?? what's appened ?
20:29:32 <FUZxxl> mystic: perhaps you got moderated
20:31:23 <mystic> FUZxxl: so I lost all that things I wrote ?
20:32:21 <Valeria22> Speaking of the forums, why can't I use "Valeria22" as my username on it? I tried signing up but it says "The entered value contains Disallowed words".
20:33:02 <FUZxxl> mystic: I don't know, I've never used the forum.
20:33:08 <FUZxxl> Talk to a forum admin maybe?
20:34:54 <crb> is there any way to get cut and paste to work between a bhyve client (Centos) and the host of the VNC session (OSX)  I'm using TigerVNC but would switch if cut and paste would work
20:36:48 <Agenomoto_> Valeria22 important question: will it formate and encrypte ALL my disks or only the disk to which I am installing the OS?
20:40:20 <rtprio> crb: i doubt it
20:40:53 <Valeria22> I'm not sure, to be honest. I haven't tried installing FreeBSD on a system with more than one drive.
20:42:22 <Agenomoto_> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/disks/#disks-encrypting-geli
20:42:23 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 19. Storage | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
20:44:07 <mystic> FUZxxl: it's come back.. :-?
20:48:06 <FUZxxl> mystic: why are you telling me?  I have no idea about this stuff.
20:48:48 <mystic> FUZxxl: just to talk and also because is so weird..
20:49:21 <Agenomoto_> what is the best way to backup an installation? using dd copies empty bytes of full drive. Don't want that
20:49:26 <FUZxxl> I'm sorry, but I'm somewhat busy right now.  Perhaps try to not prefix the messages with "FUZxxl:" so I don't get notified
20:49:51 <FUZxxl> Agenomoto_: for ufs use dump(8), for zfs use zfs-send(8)
20:51:16 <rtyler> Agenomoto_ I use duplicity to send backups to zee cloud, but zfs-send works really well if you have another ZFS server floating about
20:51:31 <FUZxxl> rtyler: you can also zfs-send onto e.g. tape
20:51:47 <Agenomoto_> FUZxxl thanks
20:52:03 <Agenomoto_> I a mworried; stupid questin: important question: will it formate and encrypte ALL my disks or only the disk to which I am installing the OS?
20:52:51 <FUZxxl> Depends on what "it" is
20:53:29 <Agenomoto_> separate drives ,, ssd, nvme
20:53:37 <Agenomoto_> plugged into the pc
20:54:02 <Agenomoto_> it means, during freebsd installation
20:56:11 <FUZxxl> the freebsd installer only touches the disks you tell it to touch
20:56:15 <Agenomoto_> FUZxxl
20:56:16 <FUZxxl> all other disks are ignored
20:56:20 <Agenomoto_> great
20:56:23 <Agenomoto_> thanks!!
20:56:25 <Agenomoto_> releife
20:56:26 <FUZxxl> have a nice day
20:56:33 <Agenomoto_> you too :)
22:04:42 <Agenomoto_> Hi
22:06:46 <Agenomoto_> Stuck since more than an hour. Following this but xrandr says "Can't open display". startxfce4 via  xorg logs says "no scrrens found". I have done sysrc kld_list+=amdgpu  and all other things. But how to know what I am missing?
22:30:06 <Agenomoto_> Stuck since more than an hour. Following this but xrandr says "Can't open display". startxfce4 via  xorg logs says "no scrrens found". I have done sysrc kld_list+=amdgpu  and all other things. But how to know what I am missing?
22:31:44 <Agenomoto_> this shouldn't be so hard. It should be one liner command that should detect all by itself
22:33:41 <Agenomoto_> https://termbin.com/n1a8
22:35:05 <Agenomoto_> actually https://termbin.com/nla8
22:35:56 <rtprio> i haven't used an xorg config file in a long time
22:36:16 <rtprio> everything just autodetects and works
22:38:17 <Agenomoto_> my pciconf |grep vga says  Lexa pro radeon 540. so isit lexa or amd/radeon?
22:40:56 <Agenomoto_> https://bsd-hardware.info/?id=pci:1002-699f-1da2-e367
22:40:59 <VimDiesel> Title: AMD Lexa PRO [Radeon 540/540X/550/550X / RX 540X/550/550X]
22:41:02 <rtprio> ok, let's back up; is the module itself loaded?
22:41:23 <Agenomoto_> amd radeon module
22:41:39 <Agenomoto_> I insatlled it. not sure if it is loaded
22:41:44 <Agenomoto_> or if I even needed it
22:41:51 <rtprio> is it presently loaded? check with kldstat
22:41:55 <Agenomoto_> rtprio thanks for helping. I litereally getting fever
22:42:01 <Agenomoto_> checking
22:42:49 <Agenomoto_> says amdgpu.ko
22:42:58 <Agenomoto_> amdgpu_polar.. and a bunch
22:43:09 <Agenomoto_> but do I need vesa or amd module?
22:43:13 <rtprio> and is there mention of amdgpu in the output of dmesg?
22:43:29 <rtprio> definately don't need vesa, probably don't need amd
22:44:10 <Agenomoto_> I grepped, it says amdgpu 2048 memory vram ready
22:44:26 <Agenomoto_> loaded firmware..... 'amdgpur/pola/...
22:45:09 <Agenomoto_> module register: cannot reegsiter pci/lkpi_pcidlist from readeonkms. already loaded from amdgpu.ko
22:45:24 <Agenomoto_> rtprio so looks good?
22:45:31 <Agenomoto_> why it says vesa then?
22:45:37 <Agenomoto_> and why it says no screen found.
22:45:51 <Agenomoto_> when I try to run 'startxfce4'
22:48:21 <Agenomoto_> rtprio there?
22:48:25 <rtprio> yes
22:48:37 <Agenomoto_> ok any ideas what I am missing?
22:50:10 <rtprio> well, as i said, i haven't used a config file in years. i just start it and it works
22:50:33 <Agenomoto_> who would be the best person here to ask this?
22:50:42 <dumbbell> Agenomoto_: amdgpu is indeed the correct DRM driver for your card.
22:51:20 <Agenomoto_> dumbbell I wonder why it says "no screen' then
22:51:25 <dumbbell> (if your card's PCI ID is the one shared in the link above, 1002:699f)
22:51:36 <rtprio> because if you're configuring things, you have to configure everything.
22:51:43 <rtprio> if don't, it should all autodetect
22:51:51 <dumbbell> Agenomoto_: Could you please share yout /var/log/Xorg.log, or something like that? It's been a while since I used X.Org
22:52:00 <Agenomoto_> sure. one sec
22:52:16 <Agenomoto_> by the way, I changed pci id many times to retry
22:52:18 <Agenomoto_> but sharing thigns now
22:52:20 <dumbbell> I agree with rtprio, X.Org should be pretty good at configuring things automatically
22:52:44 <dumbbell> If you are unsure of your PCI ID, just share the output of "pciconf -lv"
22:53:26 <Agenomoto_> its vgapci0@pci0:10:0:0   in pciconf -l |grep VGA
22:54:17 <dumbbell> Agenomoto_: The PCI ID is later in that line
22:54:58 <dumbbell> For instance, my Radeon in the pciconf(8) output: "vgapci2@pci0:9:0:0: class=0x030000 rev=0xc1 hdr=0x00 vendor=0x1002 device=0x73df subvendor=0x1da2 subdevice=0xe445"
22:55:54 <dumbbell> The interesting parts are "vendor=..." and "device=...". "vendor=0x1002" is for AMD. "device=..." depends on the GPU model.
22:56:43 <Agenomoto_> so whcih is the pci id that I need to put in "BUSID" section?
22:58:13 <dumbbell> That's a different piece of information: the "pci0:10:0:0" is the address of your card in the whole PCI bus topology. "device=..." is the identifier of that particular PCI device. X.Org would be interested in the former, the PCI address.
22:59:28 <Agenomoto_> if you see my paste above link. then the id is wrong in .conf
22:59:28 <dumbbell> The PCI ID (device=...) is hardcoded in the device by the maker. Combined with the vendor ID (0x1002 for AMD), it's used to match the correct driver.
23:00:20 <dumbbell> I don't remember how to configure X.Org, I didn't have to do it for many many years.
23:00:35 <rtprio> dumbbell: because it's not necessary anymore
23:00:45 <dumbbell> Can you share your Xorg.log file please? It will tell us a lot more
23:00:47 <rtprio> Agenomoto_: have you thought about removing your xorg conf and trying it without?
23:00:51 <Agenomoto_> busid is not neede?
23:00:51 <dumbbell> rtprio: Exactly
23:01:02 <Agenomoto_> rtprio there was no xorg before.
23:01:09 <rtprio> no xorg what before?
23:01:12 <dumbbell> Agenomoto_: The entire file is not needed for 99% of the time
23:01:21 <Agenomoto_> ok, removing it now
23:02:03 <rtprio> or, move it out of the way; into /root
23:02:23 <rtprio> also test with startx, once x works, then get xfce working
23:02:29 <Agenomoto_> same message
23:02:37 <Agenomoto_> sorry, one second
23:06:44 <Agenomoto_> started.....! I wonder why it was not before... but no xrandr working...  at boot I got: iwbt-firmware/ibt... in /usr/local/share no such dir. fw download failes.
23:07:13 <Agenomoto_> dumbbell rtprio thanks!   much to figureout. resolution etc. I will search..
23:07:13 <rtprio> so it starts without the config?
23:07:21 <Agenomoto_> yes rtprio
23:07:43 <rtprio> so why didn't you do that 10 minutes ago when i told you the first time?
23:08:29 <Agenomoto_> no idea, it ws not working without a config back then
23:09:47 <Agenomoto_> I should sleep. I had a fever. Just shifted from linux to bsd, in pressure of production server
23:09:59 * Agenomoto_ appreciates
23:10:15 <rtprio> you don't see many production servers running xorg. 🤷
23:11:05 <Agenomoto_> well, it seems easy for me to have ui too
23:11:11 <Agenomoto_> many things get easy
23:11:29 <Agenomoto_> rtprio what you said is true though :)
23:11:41 <Agenomoto_> I should run to bed now.
23:12:30 <Agenomoto_> thanks