01:01:03 <hernan> what could be causing sound distortion in some websites ? could it be a recent executed update ?
01:06:15 <hernan> only youtube sounds fine
01:14:23 <hernan> seems to be a browser issue
10:05:11 <randombit> hi there.
10:06:31 <randombit> can someone give me a hint? when i tried to attach my volume with geli, it gave me an error=1. can copy the exact output bc i restarted and now it works fortunately. what is erro=1? (and where could i look it up)
10:06:41 <randombit> *cant
10:07:00 <randombit> thankyou in advance.
10:32:27 <V_PauAmma_V> If these are standard error numbers (don't know whether GELI uses them), 1 is EPERM. See: man errno
10:46:56 <randombit> interesting. thanks V_PauAmma_V . now i thought maybe i tried to attach it without root permission so i checked. but it gives other message, and not this error=1 one. therefore the question still stands, and i would like to know, bc i would be not so happy if i lost all my data.
11:08:17 <V_PauAmma_V> If you see the message again, try writing it down verbatim (with suitable redaction). That would help. Meanwhile, wait for someone who knows geli to look in. Maybe they'll be able to answer.
11:18:41 <randombit> V_PauAmma_V, yea sure. thankyou again. and it was very short, like "geli cannot attach _volume_ (error=1)" --(like this) wanted to copy it but i was too worried and quickly did a reboot.
11:23:45 <V_PauAmma_V> OK, lemme see if something jumps out reading the source code. What FreeBSD version are you running?
11:26:30 <randombit> V_PauAmma_V, 13.1
11:38:34 <V_PauAmma_V> Nothing jumps out to me, but my source code reading ability is limited.
11:45:39 <randombit> V_PauAmma_V, well thank you anyways for your response :). will stay here for a while then.
14:27:51 <cpet> hernan: don’t use pulse audio
14:28:13 <mage> can I create a zpool on top of multiple ZVOL in FreeBSD ZFS implementation?
14:29:08 <cpet> So basically a bunch of disks pool ?
14:32:47 <mage> cpet: yes
14:33:01 <mage> currently I have a "big machine" which exports a lot of ZVOL throuhg iSCSI, it works well but it's a SPOF (even if it's replicated every 5 min through zrepl) and it's a pain every time I have to upgrade (from one OS release to another for example)
14:33:43 <cpet> I have two non raided pools and one being just a homefs
14:33:44 <mage> so I was thinking of exporting a ZVOL from two machines and create a zpool mirror on top on the client
14:34:41 <mage> but.. I remember reading (a long time ago) that it's a recipe for deadlocks
14:36:14 <cpet> I don’t take I to account half the crap said in here or what’s read online as each persons use case is different and I don’t have the patience to be told the same thing 35 times when one person can reply
14:40:16 <mage> crap?
14:43:05 <cpet> Yeap
14:43:14 <mage> I don't follow you
14:45:41 <mage> what's wrong by having server1 and server2 exporting a ZVOL each and a zpool mirror over those on server3? you could get high availability and upgrade server1 and/or server2 easily
14:49:33 <meena> mage: what do you mean by "exporting a ZVOL"?
14:49:40 <mage> through iSCSI
14:49:40 <cpet> Nothing except you mentioning it here instead of actually doing it ?
14:50:46 <cpet> Send receive does work now
14:50:49 <mage> well, I'm looking for advices and feedback from people who actually tried such thing
14:51:12 <mage> it seems to work on the theorical side but I guess there may be dragons
14:52:18 <cpet> Sounds same to me but I’m a home user with only 5 files which are important not 5tb of emails customers have asked similar things
14:55:19 <angry_vincent> dch_: do you use both META_MODE and CCACHE when building system?
14:57:55 <cpet> Isn’t that exp?
14:58:31 <cpet> Doing a -j 32 and adding ccache builds kernel and world in around 15 mins
14:58:55 <cpet> The nve kinda improves those number a bit
14:59:41 <idwer> CCACHE is kind of pointless with META_MODE imho
15:01:23 <cpet> Never used meta ibstay away from things that say experimental
15:01:42 <cpet> Even though I’m using current
15:02:24 <cpet> As I’ve always built and pipe it to mail and just wait for an email rather than sit and watch
18:05:11 <yuripv> where does it say "experimental"?
18:24:21 <pertho> does FreeBSD have a gui network manager like NetworkManager or wicd? I think NomadBSD or GhostBSD has one?
18:31:20 <abcx> pertho: wifimgr ?
18:36:44 <pertho> abcx: does that interface with wpa_supplicant?
18:38:30 <abcx> pertho: https://opal.com/src/wifimgr/
18:38:31 <VimDiesel> Title: wifimgr - WiFi Networks Manager
18:41:37 <pertho> nice :)
18:41:39 <pertho> thanks!
18:45:33 <abcx> ;)
19:06:40 <TFOZ> Evening. Do we have an postfix <-> blacklistd expert here. I am using postfix and fail2ban.  I get constant log messages " postfix/smtpd[61135]: bl_init: connect failed for /var/run/blacklistd.sock.. Yes becaus iI don't want to start the blacklistd service. I don't want the 2 systems to "interfere". How can I tell postfix not to use blacklistd? Thx for any pointer
19:08:21 <Kalten> &NULL  ;-)
19:08:55 <Kalten> scnr
19:09:43 <meena> Kalten: that's a very invalid (undefined) pointer
19:10:19 <meena> TFOZ: why is fail2ban trying to connect to blacklistd?
19:15:15 <TFOZ> no. smtpd is trying to connect to blacklistd. I am aware that direct comm to blacklistd might be the better solution but i have a log parsing fail3ban config that has worked for years. If i turn on blacklistd both "methods" are beeing triggert and activate rules in pf .... and thats not what I want
19:22:02 <TFOZ> AHH ok it is a build option turned on in the pkg. I would have to build it from port with blacklistd disabled ...
19:22:40 <TFOZ> turned on in default build in 2020 :-)
19:26:10 <meena> TFOZ: that's like 30 Internet years ago
19:27:16 <TFOZ> Not measured in "email-technologie-time" there thing younger than 10 year are considered "technical preview" :-)
19:28:26 <meena> well, except Spam prevention stuff
19:48:34 <pertho> whoa.. WINE 8.0 is out. Any ideas when it'll land in FreeBSD? :D
19:48:57 <pertho> looks like almost all the PE stuff is done. That's amazing.
19:49:03 <mason> PE?
19:49:19 <thorre> To me PE is Provider Edge ;-)
19:55:18 <nacelle> PE is "Physical Education"
19:55:21 <nacelle> sheesh
19:55:43 <mason> Wine can be sugary, so having a way to work it off can't hurt.
19:57:30 <la_mettrie> at least it's not an emulator. that would be hard to swallow
20:03:51 <pertho> mason: heh
20:03:59 <pertho> depends on the wine
20:04:20 <mason> White, say.
20:04:34 <mason> I don't really know wines so that's about as fancy as I can get.
20:07:32 <meena> wild, https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/commit/68636dcb6fded1058318052454eabe35d1f65cb2
20:07:33 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD / src / 68636dcb6fded1058318052454eabe35d1f65cb2 - FreshBSD
20:16:38 <meena> basically: I really enjoy that we have solid kernel APIs, and keep migrating stuff to it
20:16:57 <pertho> hmm.. is pkg autoremove meant to be accurate? It wants to remove packages that I don't want it to necessarily remove.
20:18:58 <pertho> it wants to remove xf86-input-keyboard, xf86-input-libinput, and xf86-input-mouse which I'm pretty sure would break X
20:19:06 <pertho> weird
20:21:34 <souji> you can list all packages which need one package with pkg info -r
20:21:34 <meena> pertho: which version of pkg?
20:22:09 <souji> On my system xf86-input-keyboard is needed by xorg-drivers-7.7_7 ...
20:25:16 <pertho> meena: 1.19.0
20:26:16 <V_PauAmma_V> Which is in turn required by xorg-7.7_3. What does "pkg info -r xf86-input-keyboard" return for you? (And same for the other two.)
20:26:20 <pertho> I uninstalled xorg-drivers because it installed xf86-video-vesa which, for some reason, interferes with X startup which actually uses the intel framebuffer driver
20:26:55 <souji> pertho: ok then thats why^^
20:27:08 <pertho> pkg info -r xf86-input-keyboard shows: "xf86-input-keyboard-1.9.0_5:"
20:27:42 <pertho> is there a way to blacklist the vesa driver so it won't load? I don't mind having it installed but I don't want it to load when X starts
20:28:26 <souji> Can you just this 3 packages with pkg?
20:28:32 <V_PauAmma_V> Uh. Time to run "pkg update -f", I think. It may be your local packages and dependencies database went wrong.
20:28:46 <souji> Then they should not be remove when runing pkg autoremove
20:29:16 <V_PauAmma_V> (Note "update", not "upgrade".)
20:30:49 <pertho> V_PauAmma_V: ran pkg update -f .. pkg info -r xf86-input-keyboard still shows same output
20:34:17 <V_PauAmma_V> Uh. Maybe a secondary effect of what souji said, then.
22:09:21 <Grabunhold_> i'm trying to write an init script for the ergo irc server using daemon(8). i cant seem to find any flag to chdir somewhere besides root before starting the child process, am I missing something?
22:12:12 <V_PauAmma_V> See ${name}_chroot in rc.subr(8).
22:23:48 <Grabunhold_> V_PauAmma_V: ah, thanks
22:25:47 <meena> pertho: so you're seeing https://bugs.freebsd.org/254050 ?
22:25:49 <VimDiesel> Title: 254050 – pkgbase: pkg autoremove is removing packages it shouldn't
22:26:27 <meena> despite being on the pkg that fixes it
22:34:52 <cpet> when you see somethign thats been ongoing for years now, its bound to fail and I think pkgbase is one of those
22:35:08 <cpet> </End of opinion that most people may think its trolling>
22:36:33 <ketas> cpet roll on
22:36:42 <cpet> ketas !
22:37:46 <ketas> pettie
22:38:08 <cpet> sir pettie
22:38:25 <ketas> so i managed to get fbsd running on nanopi neo core emmc
22:38:32 <ketas> it's a hack
22:38:56 <cpet> tried it on a pi didint work so well so my whole plan of making some shit turn on and off in my house went to null
22:39:10 <cpet> even netbsd had issues on it heh
22:39:23 <cpet> so never bothered to mess with anything *\pi*
22:39:34 <ketas> pi eh
22:39:38 <ketas> r?
22:39:49 <ketas> i somehow bought 13 of them
22:40:03 <cpet> drunk or high ?
22:40:07 <crash_> fbsd is fine on the pi
22:40:34 <cpet> you are entitled to your opinion
22:41:46 <ketas> none, i was worried that they run out and i don't have enough if i want to make prototypes of those industrial stuff i was planning to build
22:41:53 <ketas> but now supply is back
22:42:06 <ketas> bit extra priced :)
22:42:06 <crash_> it seems stable on my rpi's so yeah it's my opinion
22:42:43 <ketas> now it's tiny cute thing
22:42:55 <cpet> all sold out so I cant try again
22:43:05 <crash_> you need a good power supply for your pi's and after that they are humming along
22:43:07 <cpet> ketas: stop buying all the pi's
22:43:13 <ketas> well you can get others
22:43:18 <ketas> fuck rpi
22:43:28 <cpet> orangepi
22:43:36 <ketas> h3 based stuff goes around still
22:43:53 <cpet> <h3>stuff</h3>
22:44:09 <ketas> but is h3 watchdog actually only doing 16s timeouts?
22:44:13 <cpet> i have a HP PC dedicated as a router
22:44:20 <cpet> so really dont need them pi's
22:44:41 <ketas> they are handy as io/sensor
22:44:42 <cpet> ketas: dont trust a software watchdog
22:44:48 <ketas> it's sw
22:44:54 <cpet> hw?
22:45:00 <ketas> hw
22:45:25 <ketas> got my wares mixed up
22:45:38 <cpet> upgrade your firmware
22:45:41 <crash_> but the orange 5 looks nice and power full
22:45:47 <ketas> how hahaha
22:45:47 <cpet> version 9867xdfgsf34$^@^&dgfgasf1 B is out
22:46:04 <ketas> bbb had nice longer time
22:46:30 <ketas> who knows, maybe i can afford executing shit every 16s
22:46:38 <cpet> then I look at the price and go hrm no
22:46:47 <ketas> it's so short that how do i even boot
22:46:56 <V_PauAmma_V> meena, I didn't know use of pkgbase could be relevant. Clearly I need to get out more. Or perhaps less.
22:47:18 <crash_> bbb=beaglebone black?
22:47:22 <ketas> yeah
22:47:27 <cpet> ketas: drink some more Mana shakes and ?
22:47:32 <ketas> hah
22:47:41 <crash_> i have one of these laying around
22:48:05 <ketas> i have too, still doesn't boot current i think
22:48:16 <ketas> someone busted it
22:48:27 <cpet> someone always does
22:48:37 <ketas> 13 works, no worries
22:49:09 <ketas> i should try connecting eth to my board
22:49:24 <ketas> it has no ethernet transformer so
22:49:42 <crash_> i think i have fbsd 12 on mine still working
22:50:14 <ketas> but, virtual usb eth and serial works thankfully
22:50:25 <ketas> system has network
22:51:01 <ketas> unsure what was on my bb
22:51:03 <ketas> b
22:51:03 <cpet> $11.99 delivery March 15 - April 4. Details
22:51:05 <ketas> 11?
22:51:12 <cpet> yeah kind of want my orange pi now..?
22:51:27 <ketas> only 12?
22:51:49 <crash_> yeah i have not updated it yet with a new image
22:52:08 <crash_> oh you did't mean me haha
22:52:38 <cpet> thats just shipping the device is 144 for 16gb version
22:53:00 <cpet> and I dont buy things from AMzon or ALI so that limits my chances of getting a orange pi
22:53:41 <ketas> back then opi actually was that low
22:53:46 <ketas> it was below 10 even
22:54:25 <ketas> somebody got them at like 6 with somewhat bigger order
22:54:31 <ketas> 6 eur
22:54:42 <ketas> opi0
22:54:44 <cpet> bye me one you bastard
22:54:59 <cpet> buy*
22:55:12 <ketas> but i somehow though too expensive and no use eh
22:55:22 <ketas> now it's expensive :P
22:55:32 <cpet> yeah
22:55:53 <crash_> 6 eur is a good price though
22:55:56 <ketas> rpi prices are are you fucking kidding me
22:56:03 <ketas> or were
22:56:09 <ketas> like 200
22:56:33 <ketas> or no stock :]
22:56:37 <ketas> :)
22:57:01 <cpet> yeap
22:57:08 <ketas> so suddenly 35 eur a board is cheap
22:57:09 <crash_> risc-v boards seems fun but they are not supported for long until they release a new board.
22:57:16 <cpet> let charge higher so we can afford paying our CEO 345billion
22:57:32 <ketas> well yes h3, no eth port, but 8g flash
22:57:48 <ketas> 512m ram and so on
22:57:54 <ketas> if that fits you
22:58:46 <ketas> more powerful stuff costs more
22:59:25 <cpet> why dont I just buy a antique 386
22:59:36 <cpet> atleast I can play doom and myst on the thing
23:00:38 <cpet> ketas: https://youtu.be/AW5llNTnXj0
23:00:39 <VimDiesel> Title: Five Finger Death Punch - Welcome To The Circus (Official Music Video) - Episode 2 - YouTube
23:01:01 <cpet> ketas: the circus of the open source HW market
23:01:28 <crash_> how is the support for a orange pi 5 for fbsd?
23:01:42 <cpet> cant afford one so dont know
23:01:48 <crash_> ah ok
23:02:24 <cpet> i take donations ?
23:03:53 <crash_> everyone will take donations? :P
23:04:13 <cpet> mine will go to a good cause
23:04:15 <cpet> :(
23:05:58 <crash_> :)
23:09:51 <ketas> cpet: i already have doomy machines
23:11:52 <ketas> but fuck games, i haven't done them much
23:12:27 <crash_> games are fun
23:13:19 <ketas> i think i started building stuff from early on
23:13:24 <ketas> instead
23:13:53 <cpet> death cages ?
23:14:12 <ketas> eh?
23:14:17 <ketas> for girls?
23:15:38 <Grell> anyone following this Tyre Nichols thing?
23:15:39 <cpet> if that floats your boat
23:15:48 <Grell> or is that off limits here?
23:16:05 <cpet> Grell: seeing how ive pasted a youtube and asked ketas about death cages
23:16:07 <cpet> heh
23:16:26 <Grell> dunno man, i just popped in
23:16:30 <Grell> didn't scroll up
23:17:38 <ketas> tyre eh?
23:17:46 <ketas> someone was killed again?
23:17:51 <ketas> had to look
23:18:29 <crash_> ketas: what did you build early on?
23:20:28 <ketas> irc bot, warez indexer, irc quote database maybe come up first, did general fbsd sysadmin too to keep them up
23:20:58 <ketas> and no wonder i do embedded because before computer i did electronics
23:21:14 <crash_> cool
23:21:48 <crash_> tubes computers and such?
23:21:56 <ketas> simpler
23:22:18 <ketas> but i took my contraptions to preschool even
23:22:23 <ketas> to show
23:22:45 <ketas> suuure, they were simpler
23:23:39 <ketas> i don't think tubes were much of a thing in 90s
23:24:15 <ketas> that doesn't mean i didn't apart stuff with them or read books
23:24:20 <crash_> tubes was in the 60's and 70's
23:26:54 <ketas> well later i realized i destroyed good tube amp
23:27:22 <crash_> :(
23:27:50 <ketas> i think there's just couple of devices in my childhood home still intact
23:28:07 <ketas> but think of it like learning
23:30:03 <crash_> i took apart a lot of things in my youth as well, they did't work the way the are intended when i was done but i learned a lot on the way.
23:31:14 <ketas> there was none left when i was finished often
23:31:33 <ketas> but i remember all the parts etc
23:31:51 <crash_> nice
23:32:23 <ketas> from speakers still intact, that tube amp was like 50w?
23:32:25 <cpet> i shall go fix my AC
23:32:26 <ketas> or so
23:32:31 <ketas> 2*50
23:32:44 <ketas> from speaker, i took filter out
23:33:44 <ketas> so i'm just left of drivers and box
23:34:33 <ketas> i mean it's not that special, whatever soviet union produced for homes
23:35:38 <ketas> all the battery powered toys i was given i took all apart almost immediately too
23:36:12 <crash_> i see, but it's fun too take things parts apart and see how they are working
23:36:40 <ketas> now, i did build stuff too
23:37:22 <ketas> my mother tried to put me somewhere to learn electronics but i didn't like people
23:39:57 <crash_> and how did that go?
23:40:15 <ketas> not well
23:41:03 <ketas> since i don't do people at all or generic bad or good group behaviour i nearly haven't used any of my skills to earn money so far
23:47:05 <ketas> nothinb went well!
23:47:14 <ketas> with people irl
23:47:51 <ketas> eg i was given like pcb of resistors to desolder there
23:48:08 <ketas> i was like come on
23:49:04 <ketas> unsure how young i was then
23:49:15 <ketas> but that felt boooring
23:50:41 <ketas> especially with what others did
23:51:02 <ketas> but unsure eh, that was bad time
23:51:41 <ketas> you know it's much easier now, to fins new stuff
23:53:35 <crash_> yeah, but it's easy to feel unsure in school, how to behave and how to be around peoples
23:57:03 <ketas> internet is much easier for finding new ideas
23:57:21 <ketas> even for meeting people
23:58:27 <ketas> previously you went to library for books
23:58:48 <ketas> even then it would be like which book?
23:59:33 <ketas> then you would ask others maybe
23:59:43 <ketas> but if you don't do it
23:59:54 <ketas> or like