03:02:17 hello 03:02:22 I am trying to get the xorg to work 03:04:32 What happens? 03:05:48 I get three little screens 03:05:55 https://termbin.com/03ou 03:09:16 https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/xorg-does-not-work-exit-error-2.87672/ 03:09:17 Title: xorg does not work exit error 2 | The FreeBSD Forums 03:41:28 solution is solved thank you 03:52:32 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/75045380/how-can-i-make-motif-push-button-widget-to-appear-as-permanently-pushed 03:52:33 Title: c - How can I make Motif Push Button widget to appear as permanently pushed? - Stack Overflow 05:12:25 hello 05:12:50 how do i change the send recv tcp window size? 05:13:39 send specifically 05:22:13 syle you mean like these kernel parameters in Linux ? https://serverfault.com/questions/775837/how-to-set-the-maximum-tcp-receive-window-size-in-linux 05:22:14 Title: How to set the maximum TCP receive window size in Linux? - Server Fault 05:22:41 20:24:19.484251 IP dandesktop.49695 > router.microsoft-ds: Flags [.], seq 2486412285:2486421245, ack 3006939864, win 1024, length 8960 SMB-over-TCP packet:(raw data or conti 05:22:41 nuation?) 05:23:00 this small window size of 1024 only happening in one direction 05:23:48 In Linux there are wmen_default, wmem_max, tcp_wmen that might impact the window size 05:23:56 I assume there might be equivalents in FreeBSD, maybe you can try that 05:23:57 this is freebsd 05:24:13 I know, but sometimes I find easier to find what I want in Linux and then look for the FreeBSD counterparts 05:24:18 tried them all doesn;t work 05:24:53 #net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc = 32768 05:24:53 #net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max = 16777216 05:24:53 #net.inet.tcp.sendspace = 2097152 05:25:05 one of these should work, but it doesn't 05:25:37 When you open a socket, can you specify the window? 05:25:41 I mean in code 05:26:30 yeah I am using -w option with iperf3 05:27:47 tcp_rmem (Receive Buffer) tcp_wmem (Send Buffer) 05:28:46 router:~ # sysctl -a|grep rmem 05:28:46 hw.usermem: 31717912576 05:28:46 router:~ # 05:28:52 you must be thinking linux maybe? 05:29:12 and its sysctl / ioctl just like #freebsd 05:29:45 yeah i was pasting linux foo 05:29:50 router:~ # uname -a 05:29:51 FreeBSD router.sunsaturn.com 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #0 main-n259877-e300f328fec1: Wed Dec 28 23:16:13 CST 2022 droot⊙rsc:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/MYKERNEL amd64 05:29:51 router:~ # 05:30:12 I know, but sometimes I find easier to find what I want in Linux and then look for the FreeBSD counterparts 05:30:20 in response to that 05:32:03 but what about the MTU.. 05:32:11 i mean i could try doubling kern.ipc.nmbclusters in /boot/loader.conf and rebooting, idk 05:32:26 mtu is set at 9000 on each end 05:32:56 i get full 10 gigabit one way, and really slow other way, tcpdump showing only difference between the 2 is the window size 05:33:59 this example tcpdump of slow end: 05:34:02 20:24:19.484251 IP dandesktop.49695 > router.microsoft-ds: Flags [.], seq 2486412285:2486421245, ack 3006939864, win 1024, length 8960 SMB-over-TCP packet:(raw data or continuation?) 05:34:10 example of good end: 05:34:22 20:25:00.177144 IP router.microsoft-ds > dandesktop.49695: Flags [.], seq 1533983546:1533992506, ack 176708, win 27247, length 8960 SMB-over-TCP packet:(raw data or continuation?) 05:34:48 so must be window size, i grabbed these dumps from running iperf3 with and without -R flag 05:36:22 so what happens is when i upload a file over samba from my desktop, its 10 gigabit speed, but downloading I get barely 100MB/s on chelsio card, when i disable that and use 10 gigabit intel card i get 300-500 MB/s, improvement but should be full 10 gigabit 05:36:39 what is generating SMB-over-TCP packet? 05:36:56 iperf3 it seems 05:37:16 choose another non-used port for iperf tests 05:37:37 does iperf uses SMB-over-TCP? that sounds weird 05:38:30 yeah sorry that was my actual samba dumps with tcpdump 05:38:57 ok with iperf3 regardless: bad direction: 05:39:19 maybe Samba is setting the window parameter of the TCP packets 05:39:43 because that window is a field of TCP packets, so it can be chosen by the application 05:39:59 23:39:43.819457 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 9000) 05:39:59 router.5201 > dandesktop.65214: Flags [.], cksum 0xb673 (correct), seq 212387841:212396801, ack 38, win 4113, length 8960 05:40:02 good end: 05:40:40 23:40:29.840848 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 37954, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 5672) 05:40:40 dandesktop.65241 > router.5201: Flags [P.], cksum 0x087d (correct), seq 700082433:700088065, ack 0, win 32768, length 5632 05:41:07 window length is 4113 vs 32768 05:41:12 what i am trying to fix 05:41:55 so you are running iperf from dandesktop to router 05:42:00 yes 05:42:06 that uses 32K window which seems acceptable 05:42:28 then router answers with a smaller window, maybe because it does not ahve to transmit back, the test is just one direction 05:42:38 so it is just acknowledges 05:43:31 have you specified -w at both ends? 05:43:32 mostly good side is full of these: 05:43:34 dandesktop.65241 > router.5201: Flags [.], cksum 0xf22f (correct), seq 700064513:700073473, ack 0, win 32768, length 8960 05:43:34 23:40:29.840844 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 37953, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 9000) 05:43:47 bad side is full of ones with window size of 4113 05:44:04 what do you mean by good and bad side? 05:44:42 bad side is downloading to dandesktop: 0.00-1.00 sec 59.5 MBytes 499 Mbits/sec 05:44:57 good side is uploading to router: 8.00-9.00 sec 1.15 GBytes 9.91 Gbits/sec 05:45:10 but are you running iperf where? you might have been working on this for hours, the rest of us know nothing about your setup 05:45:41 i am just running iperf3 on dandesktop to router with: 05:46:02 C:\Users\dan\iperf\iperf-3.1.3-win64> .\iperf3.exe -w 2m -t 10s -i 1s -c 192.168.0.1 -R 05:46:05 and 05:46:08 C:\Users\dan\iperf\iperf-3.1.3-win64> .\iperf3.exe -w 2m -t 10s -i 1s -c 192.168.0.1 05:46:27 adn what do you run in the router? 05:46:36 the -R download side is the issue, that translates to sendbuf on freebsd router 05:46:56 on router i have just: iperf3 -s 05:47:05 why dont you also set the -w in the router? 05:47:22 and what is 2m by the way? 05:48:11 window size i think you can set only on client side 05:48:37 I am not sure that -w is window size 05:48:44 iperf3 documentation says it is socket buffer size 05:48:48 -w, --window #[KMG] set send/receive socket buffer sizes 05:48:48 (indirectly sets TCP window size) 05:48:48 that is not the TCP window size 05:48:54 oh then it does 05:49:11 I would try -w in the router if I were you 05:49:21 i tried won;t take with the -s option for some reason 05:50:23 maybe netcat allows a similar try setting the buffer 05:50:36 fighting to get this window size to match on receiving and sending ends seems to be real problematic tonight lol 05:51:05 man page for netcat only mentions socket buffers, I am not sure if modifying the socket buffer always modifies the TCP window size (which is limited to 65535 I think) 05:51:26 the length of packet looks good, just the window size is way to small on sending side of router it seems 05:51:35 I do not know if that helps, but it seems that iperf is not setting the window size on the router side 05:51:38 I would try netcat 05:51:45 or I would try reversing the test 05:51:55 i can do that 05:52:39 same results 05:52:48 i;ll try from another server as well that runs linux 05:53:12 same results mean that you try to send from router to desktop and see a small window size 05:53:15 ? 05:53:32 (using -w in the router side) 05:55:53 gimme a sec linux is a retard needing more than mtu 9000 just to bridge 05:58:27 hehe 05:58:55 alright got the linux mtu happy, yeah bout same results as windows to freebsd as linux to freebsd box 05:59:55 i'll tcpdump here see if just window size again as well 06:00:57 on linux good side: 00:00:22.108440 IP router.targus-getdata1 > router2.53416: Flags [.], ack 133687678, win 4096, options [nop,nop,TS val 944202605 ecr 1071474893], length 0 06:01:27 on linux bad side: 00:01:11.241846 IP router.targus-getdata1 > router2.37240: Flags [.], seq 121612269:121621217, ack 38, win 4113, options [nop,nop,TS val 2338280191 ecr 1071523993], length 8948 06:01:39 hmm 06:02:26 window sizes similar here yet one side doing horribly 06:04:26 and when i reboot between chelsio card and intel card is a difference of chelsio: 50 MB/s intel 350MB/s, both on sending can saturate 10 gigabit 06:06:15 its all about drivers i guess 06:06:35 hardware choices matter/drivers 06:06:37 oww god idk if i can tune these drivers anymore than i have 06:06:41 HCL 06:07:11 i love the wifi dongles that dont support ad-hoc networking 06:07:17 no tethering for you 06:07:56 for INTEL tuning to get that 350MB/s i disable flow control, and i set nrxds to match cores on server, i try same with chelsio with worse results 06:08:53 I can try with defaults but defaults for chelsio is to do 8 queues no matter how many cores or threads 06:09:19 whichever is less, with intel and melanox it will try to match core or thread count 06:09:59 i figure might be easier to find problem with chelsio card doing only 50MB/s than playing with INTEL getting it from 3-500MB/s to 1000MB/s 06:11:30 but the idea here is yeah figure this out, downloading a 4k movie at only 3-500MB/s is rediculously slow for 2023 06:12:16 i mean i use that bandwidth for backups to :) 06:12:56 :-) 06:17:52 For last 5-10 years i been running all my freebsd, windows, linux VMs under centos linux KVM. I really like vm-bhyve so I have moved most VM;s under there now with NVME, drivers can easily pull greater than 1000MB/s so now just getting 10 gigabit issues worked out, and can happily zfs snapshot VMs daily as i;m developping other things is hope since when i tested suspend resume, its not stable, 06:17:52 but i can get it to work 06:18:50 at least under freebsd current tree, i guess i live on the edge running current, but i recompile kernel with production flags , i just like working with latest features 06:20:22 swap the remote hardware out and prove point 06:20:31 pop intel card in and find out.. 06:21:05 prove the theory 06:21:19 drivers/hardware combo.... 06:21:34 why HCL's matter 06:22:38 Good setup you have going 06:23:39 i like tidalscale's bhyve SSI system 06:23:51 openSSI compaq/hp pretty much killed 06:24:05 need more ram, need more cpu...just add boxes 06:24:10 no single point of failure 06:24:31 high performance computing and high availability 06:26:11 isn;t that cloud stuff, i just never could get into cloud stuff, why not just buy stuff yourself, set it up, if power usage an issue , a few inverters and solar panels should cover the costs and redundancy for home. For datacenter, i prefer baremetal, I don;t think there is anything like having root at the top level and working yourself down to VMs 06:26:53 i;ll just build a new server and ship it to a datacenter, hoping to do a pcie 5 build in a few years lol 06:26:57 because business went cloud 06:27:15 i remember a time when each business had their own network 06:27:27 and the internet was a collection of these networks 06:27:40 when client---server kicked ass 06:27:49 and mainframe/batch processing sucked 06:28:15 we came full circle... 06:28:49 utility computing when everyone on the edge has mainframe general purpose computer in their pockets? 06:29:03 rent seeking! 06:29:21 supercomputer in their pockets 06:29:45 don't forget space internet with elon musk, world domination soon with crypto payments 06:29:59 and supercomputer in their pockets lol 06:30:06 beam the solar energy down to earth with microwaves...beam the data down from DC from space...heat problem solved...co2 issue solved 06:30:20 put the DC in space, hp has 06:30:29 m$ put the DC in the ocean haha 06:30:56 i think it will be fine for next couple decades, but solar, space, wind won;t be answer 3 decades from now with sun coming to swallow earth, underground and using geothermal will be needed 06:31:39 i mean an asteroid will definately take us out like dinosaurs way before sun swallows us, why i beleive in go to mars i guess lol 06:33:00 what would make an interesting movie is what humans will look like on mars 10 decades from now after modifying their DNA so much to adapt to other planets 06:36:50 The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein 06:36:50 hack computers with KALI, hack planets and encryption with quantum physics, hack DNA with CRISPR, defintely going to be an interesting world coming up for next generation 06:36:54 already covered 06:37:14 moon needs to be populated first let alone mars 06:37:39 putting your chickens before they are hatched.... 06:38:42 oww they need to setup on moon first to launch to mars thats a given, who gonna invest billions landing on mars when can;t do dark side of moon first. Problem is can we do that without governments trying to weaponize the moon 06:38:45 the people born on the moon are practically alien compared to earth born people...gravity and all 06:39:11 they cant even visit earth 06:39:19 anyway scifi paved the way 06:39:48 i think we may have to go straight to mars, i just can;t see a government not being corrupted by ability to send nuke from moon directly to a country on earth 06:39:50 author of hugo/nebula awards though about all this 06:40:22 their bone density 06:40:25 science 06:40:34 low gravity env 06:40:41 i suggest this goes to #freebsd-social but migrating to Mars solves nothing. 06:41:12 haha migrating mars is for fools 06:41:18 it is smaller, it's axis wobbles way more than Earth, means there so dratic climate changes, list goes on and on 06:41:18 before the moon 06:42:04 all this stuff about Mars is just a wet dream and useless money spending 06:42:22 moon was apart of earth once is the theory, yeah don;t want to live there, just bounce off their to mars 06:42:28 yeah cosmic radiation 06:42:37 rna/dna dont like that 06:43:14 well i really think they'll hack CRISPR so much we will look nothing like we do now at one point, so maybe our dna will be ok at some point 06:43:42 one need to grasp, that humans are strictly bound to Earth, evolutionary. nothing more to say 06:43:59 download my being to silicon and upload me into a robot 06:44:05 only other option is to teraform another planet, now that would be alot more work and to many failure points 06:44:11 space travel ...in limbo 06:44:45 i honestly think the solution is travelling faster than the speed of light, only way going to find another earth 06:44:45 cyborg 06:45:05 the speed limit of universe... 06:45:11 you going to break? 06:45:18 🤣 06:45:39 i was talking with NASA last year on their chat channel about it , and someone a month later posted a theory on we could break speed of light if we built a space ship in a vacuum, interesting concept 06:46:30 even quantum entanglement obeys the laws 06:47:04 problem with quantum entanglement and superposition though is that is only works at microscopic levels, we need a human level to 06:48:17 will be great for faster computing and running AI algos, but not sure will help with getting us any faster across universe, although multi universes have recently been proven to exist, so waiting to see what happens with that 06:51:56 is AI really AI though is my question, when i looked into algorithms deep learning uses, its like first year calculus class graph, its a balance of probabilities that if you don;t feed it to much data or over train it it may work 06:52:55 guess would be first year quantum physics class to, idk seems to simple to be the real AI of the future 06:54:41 i find AI would be the next ultimate failure of research ( in physics ), same as useless string theory. 06:56:33 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk you made the AI angry 06:56:34 Title: Roko's basilisk - Wikipedia 06:56:52 dont be messing with a time traveling AGI/AI 06:57:52 yeah who knows, in last year we have learned as facts that big bang is wrong from james webb telescope and multi universes exist, makes you want to smoke a joint and ponder all the 0s and 1s and maybe both at same time in the case of entanglement lol 06:58:21 oh no, multiverse again 06:58:35 another bullshit :) 06:59:30 honestly i think quantum will just be a repeat of history, great they come out with it finally, everyone gets one, takes another 5-10 years for enough developers to do enough useful things with it before becomes mainstream, it will just turn our current tech into mainframes again lol 07:00:02 yeah cause absolute zero in my house cost nothing 07:00:39 governments are only interested in it because of Shor's algorithm which promises to break every encryption right now with just 2k qubits, so all they have to do is keep storing encrypted data and unlock it all in a few years 07:01:35 IBM will have it this year, see what happens 07:02:06 what is compute able,,,turning electricity signal into not just work/spinning a moter but calculating abstracted information... 07:02:43 ibm and samsung duel for #1 portfolio of patents each year now 07:02:54 ibm ran for years as most 07:06:05 well till quantum comes out, asml owns all their asses, hell Biden even trying to ban ASML from selling to china, crazy 07:09:24 the new war is over tech 07:09:26 and i guess thats the real issue with buying even pcie 4 or 5 right now, when we know asml will have chips down to 1nm by end of 2024 07:10:09 dont want russia,china, building drones off latest tech 07:10:19 ok i spoiled myself during pandemic, my desktop is all pcie 4, but thats all lol 07:11:34 rennj they already have it i;ve seen it, it looks like a raspberry pi, same size, but all pcie 4.x , tensor chips, sells for 1k 07:11:46 work perfectly in a drone 07:13:05 with a board like that you could command your drone to facial ID someone and kill him on the spot, thats scary, i think only way to defeat them is with EMP 07:13:19 don't be a menace to south central while drinking juice... 07:13:32 way off topic of #freebsd 07:14:21 sure cause my network stack problem be alot funner on a saturday night :) 07:14:53 https://imgur.com/Pq0POok 07:14:54 Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet 07:15:00 i have and uppercase problem 07:15:15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_7_Unix#/media/File:Pdp11-unixv7.png 07:15:16 Title: Version 7 Unix - Wikipedia 07:15:29 stty / tset -e 07:15:58 i boot up into uppercase for some reason 07:16:21 logout/login fixes terminal go figure 07:16:48 only reason i booting pdp11/v7 cause of #unix question 07:17:02 sucker for irc questions 07:18:36 reset and CTRL-L were my favorites to try first on any OS lol 07:19:03 yeah free compiler would be my quest 07:19:10 heh 07:19:29 shit use to cost money ...people forget 07:19:51 oww you talking about CC from solaris and irix days 07:20:38 1995 choice to make ...$600.00 solaris no compiler for x86/pentium mmx/pro or $50 walnut creek cdrom with freebsd/linux and compilers 07:20:49 honestly i won;t pay for software unless its a game, i put money towards hardware lol 07:21:17 solaris 2.5.1 which i still got 07:22:21 oww god i remember that , i had fiber array controllers on the sparc and veritas backup software, had to work in a datacenter in those days lol 07:22:41 yeah vxvm and vxfs 07:22:45 lol 07:22:50 before sun disksuite/svm 07:22:55 i had irix workstation accessing the SUN;s lol 07:22:57 hp and sun paid them 07:23:13 ibm/hp lvm came out eventually 07:23:30 logical volume management...besides raid levels 07:23:34 and fs 07:23:58 think my first programming language was pascal, unless you count the commodore 64 07:24:14 mos6502 asm is nice 07:24:28 turing complete article other day... 07:24:47 besides x86 mov memory-to-memory being turing complete 07:24:58 mov fusciator 07:25:37 of course programming never complete without doing recursion in assembly and people seem to turn right into sys admins right after that course lol 07:25:57 https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator 07:25:58 Title: GitHub - xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator: The single instruction C compiler 07:26:46 nand2tetris now we need nor2tetris 07:26:57 make some $$ making that book 07:27:01 i;m going to ask the chatAI bot to disassemble this back to GCC lol 07:27:20 nad and nor are UTM 07:28:03 nand2tetris book/project...but no nor2tertris exists 07:29:10 seems cool, should avoid malware detection programs for awhile, i actually heard they were using rust for awhile lol 07:29:53 memory safe languages 07:30:15 foof 07:30:17 should i pseudo-clean install my system 07:30:43 underflow/overflow, Null Dereference 07:30:49 well they just want to cleanup the linux kernel with it and remove all the buffer overflow exploits all over the place in there still, will take a long time 07:31:42 yeah reminds me of old phrack magazine days with alpha one 07:32:05 well asm, c, pascal, joke back in the day about a "gun" 07:32:17 shoot yourself in the foot 07:32:33 building a gun in asm,c, pascal 07:33:20 either way memory safe language are bonus..decades being proven people will make mistake...human error 07:33:55 the null is billion dollar error 07:34:05 according to creator 07:35:13 it has been said the next war will be AI creating its own exploits and hacking servers on its own 07:36:00 i mean you always have the advantage on the offensive, its an infinite war lol 07:39:14 world has changed, in 90s if you ever got known as a blackhat you were finished, couldn;t land a job anywhere, do not pass go, get a job as a bartender. Now they;ll come running to your door and give you free pot i guess lmao 07:39:57 in the late 90 you said html/http and you had job..let alone /etc/services 07:40:57 everything is a file but bsdsockets...ip and port 07:41:01 oww thats right, i said the world php one time and some webhosting company gave me my first job on a solaris sparc programming and admining it lmao 07:41:19 whole point of plan9 was fix things 07:41:30 yeah i guess the first job was the hardest, then i think i controlled the whole countries dialups after that, that was fun 07:42:57 i think my first modem was a 14.4k modem then 28.8k then i was so excited for the 56.k, then cable company came out with cable internet, never looked back lol 07:44:48 i would use them to dialin to univerity systems and run slirp for free internet at home lol 07:46:48 just some old Dec Alphas and Vax systems 07:52:29 everything is a file but bsdsockets do explain 07:53:07 i didn;t do much kernel hacking with freebsd, just did a few programs with kqueue and modified kernel here and there to my needs about it 07:53:12 cat -v is considered harmful perhaps 07:54:29 oww interesting 07:54:38 bsdsocket is not a file..but a ip:port... 07:54:40 https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/141016/a-laymans-explanation-for-everything-is-a-file-what-differs-from-windows 07:54:41 Title: A layman's explanation for "Everything is a file" — what differs from Windows? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange 07:54:52 that would have been useful stacked with netcat for reverse shells back in day lol 07:55:10 open read write close foobar..libc 07:55:18 plan9 tried to fix it 07:55:50 sun went reverse and tried to add streams 07:56:22 everything is file is unix, everything is stream is m$/vms/openvms camp i believe 08:03:48 back in day eveeryone was excited over pthreads, then epoll and kqueue, then everyone said fuckit use libevent or libev to many portability issues lol 08:05:48 unistd.h posix 08:06:00 yeah well smp and smt 08:06:19 thearding locking context switching.... 08:06:36 yeah cause context switching was expensive 08:07:05 my sparc boxes could not play mp3's 08:07:42 hehe 70Mhz 64MB-128MB ram, 500MB to 1GB drives 08:07:54 sparc 10,20,5,4,...doesnt matter 08:08:25 sparc20 was only good for 250 nfs connection as nfsserver 08:08:30 its in the documents 08:08:48 dual cpu or quad doesnt matter 08:08:50 i actualyl was going to try to toss solaris again in a bhyve VM other day for fun, i couldn;t beleive i have to use a 32 bit version cause they only let people have 64 bit for sparcs still , i was like fuckit lol 08:09:50 i got 2.5.1, 8, 10, 11.3 vm..why...does it have modern browser 08:10:04 besides the illumos side of things 08:10:09 sparcs were solid though all years i ran, NFS, NIS, veritas , apache etc that system was always rock stable 08:10:17 he who has most developers wins! 08:10:25 and linux is where dev is at 08:10:34 adb-tools! for android 08:11:03 cause phones out number craptops / towers/ 1u /2u /4u 08:11:37 oww get this after i left that job where i got spoiled with expensive sparcs etc, i get to this company and instead of sparcs they have 200 linux 1u servers, every other day i was calling datacenter to clone a failed drive, that was cheapest hardware setup i ever seen 08:11:44 yeah sun had its day..so what!!! 08:11:52 hp had bigger boxes 08:12:06 hp had better engineering..and hpe is still around 08:12:21 did all my firewalling on cisco routers and switches, could never trust any of those linux servers lol 08:12:25 my v2600 had 128cpu/128GB ram in the 90's 08:12:32 sun did not have box like that 08:12:42 not till sun10k sun15k sun25k 08:13:03 starfire which came from sgi/sun splitting the CRAY tech 08:13:16 mandated by U.S.GOV/DoD 08:14:03 my v2600 from hp was on top500 supercomputer list back in day 08:14:09 sun didnt have shit 08:14:12 like m$ 08:14:23 winnt on top super computer list...well they tried 08:15:52 supercomputer back then was like i;pm gonna run john the ripper on this encrypted has for next month and see what i get lol 08:15:57 hash 08:17:07 i guess back in those days you literally just ypcat passwd 08:17:57 oww new thing if you like NIS to bad, you have to learn active directory now 08:18:06 redhat now banning it from new systems 08:19:27 so i was sitting here other night ok so toss windows 2022 in a bhyve VM or just run FreeBSD as a samba domain controller, could still use that windows remote tool. Or use redhat new auth system. I;m leaning towards samba with FreeBSD 08:19:47 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8b/10b_encoding when the signal side and abstract software side mesh 08:19:48 Title: 8b/10b encoding - Wikipedia 08:20:10 when hardware and software work together 08:22:16 Among the areas in which 8b/10b encoding finds application are the following: 08:22:22 haha see the list: 08:25:04 still reading lol on this page now 08:25:07 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64b/66b_encoding 08:25:09 Title: 64b/66b encoding - Wikipedia 08:26:02 its all claude shannon signal to noise ratio 08:26:23 get the most bang for buck.... 08:26:45 ROI/TCO 08:26:59 return on investment and total cost of ownership 08:30:56 "Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don’t expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface." --Charles "Chuck" H. Moore 08:31:40 uhdforth does away with spaces! 08:31:49 serious crazy 08:32:07 lol my C professor use to tell me go back to your PC and print out only like the 10 lines of code where you are having a problem and bring it back 08:34:16 oww your program segfaulted, go spend night with GDB and if you can;t solve it come to me in morning lol 08:37:44 i think thats when i started using perl and python tbh 08:38:08 what took me 100 lines of C i could do in 10-20 lines of perl or python 08:38:41 unless you had a reason to close source your code to binary i guess 08:40:52 rennj i might need your expertise to solve this socket issue 08:41:18 im still learning 08:41:29 what side does the heavy cpu lifting when sending/receiving, there is a 2 ghz cpu, i know samba iperf3 generally run single threaded 08:42:01 truss/strace modern day would be dtrace 08:42:26 i guess i could strace the system calls off linux system yeah i;ll try that 08:42:44 dtrace allow you to probe 1000's of times better that trusss/strace 08:43:04 oww wow i thought iperf was advanced 08:43:04 heatmap where kernel is wasting time 08:43:12 its only using select system calls not even epoll 08:43:42 dtrace and zfs pushing tech forward 08:44:11 smf/upstart/systemd...parallel init 08:44:51 zfs is death to fsck...so 100drives being fscked after crash doesnt take forever 08:45:13 omg i think i see the issue but how to figure this out now 08:45:16 read(5, 0x7fd9cb934bd0, 95280) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) 08:45:17 select(6, [4 5], [], NULL, {tv_sec=0, tv_usec=607661}) = 1 (in [5], left {tv_sec=0, tv_usec=607659}) 08:45:21 see the EAGAIN 08:45:24 i had boxes take 1hour to fsck raid arrays 08:45:42 that usually means a sysctl that needs to be expanded 08:45:56 resource starvation i;m thinking 08:48:36 yeah for linux i usually use strace, for freebsd i use truss 08:48:54 although they recommend dtrace now yeah 08:49:54 getting closer 08:49:58 ERR#35 'Resource temporarily unavailable' 08:55:48 more like netflix knowing what they can bank on 08:56:00 freebsd redbox on their CDN 08:56:09 dont have to share the code 08:56:45 heh why would you help your competition 08:57:45 build out a CDN and dont have share back...cause the code license says so 08:58:00 w00t mit! etc. 09:00:06 https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/ 09:00:07 Title: Netflix | Open Connect 09:00:33 Open Connect Briefing Paper: A cooperative approach to content delivery (PDF - English only) 09:17:35 god tracing this down sigh 09:17:39 https://devel.rtems.org/browser/rtems-libbsd/freebsd/sys/errno.h?rev=772d929a3ca02ed113176afb757358a99cb490f1 09:17:40 Title: errno.h in rtems-libbsd/freebsd/sys – RTEMS Project 09:18:52 what sysctl controls adequate buffer send space i haven;t already tweaked sigh 13:30:02 hello 13:30:16 i'm trying to use the desktop installer 13:31:16 it seems to have stuck at "Extracting llvm15-15.0.6_1" 13:32:04 i don't think it should take particularly long, especially i see no disk activity 13:33:12 i'm running it on virtualbox by the way 13:36:52 hmm, the vm froze up completely 13:40:40 does there even enybody exist who does not run freebsd in a virtual environment but on bare metal? 13:43:14 i apparently had a very high memory load in my host machine 13:55:00 wwt, many here do both. Here, laptop running 13.1. 13:55:42 (With some VMs also running 12.3 or 13.1.) 13:56:53 V_PauAmma_V: "running" means without webcam, card reader, dedicated graphics driver and mouse pad? 13:58:54 Running means with a stickered-over webcam (so I can't tell), no card reader slot that I can see so can't tell about that either, but definitely a GPU and trackpad. 14:00:31 And usbconfig says the (integrated USB) webcam is at least recognized. 14:05:14 wondering why desktop-installer is asking for the user to choose the DE even when it is going to reboot the system anyway and thus has to be re-run 14:05:41 apparently it remembers it somehow on the next run, anyway 14:17:06 "somehow" is in /etc/rc.conf would be my guess. 14:27:29 a total guess, but if its for the user ... would it not be possible storing something in ~/ 14:27:40 Hi 14:27:54 Did anyone had anything to say from earlier chat? 14:28:01 Really? 14:29:43 daemon, maybe, if the DE only starts after login. 14:32:17 hmm 15:23:07 sixpiece still here? 15:23:24 ahh .. gone 15:27:14 I think I figured out sixpiece's issue with not using the kernel modesetting driver.. you have to 'pkg delete xf86-video-scfb xf86-video-vesa' otherwise.. X will just probe and try to use those first sometimes.. in weird situations even though the kernel modesetting driver will work fine. 15:27:42 sadly they left the channel.. but might be something to add to the FreeBSD Handbook as a caveat? 15:39:14 Patches welcome. 15:46:12 Or if not a patch, a Bugzilla ticket with draft language or an outline. We can take it from there if needed. 16:49:50 despite doing a fresh buildworld/buildkernel/install on my laptop, command-line tools still obstinately refuse to validate TLS certs 16:50:00 browser ✅ 16:50:27 curl, git, etc fail 16:51:18 my go-based tool www/gurl doesn't curiously enough 16:51:37 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nyOJrM3E/dammit_curl 16:51:38 Title: Snippet | IRCCloud 16:53:07 works under dtrace, maaaaybe something somewhere has borked permissions 17:11:13 i am curious now 17:16:42 I have somewhat lame question: when does upgrade to python 3.10 (or 3.11) happen? what is the process? 17:19:05 you can install that package or port at any time, and it should co-exist with 3.9 17:19:26 getting python things to start using it rather than 3.9, that i don't recall 17:21:01 I mean that pkg repository does not have a lot of py310 or py311 packages, most of them are py39. When does switch to the next python version happen in ports? 17:43:20 Question, i have setup poudriere on a extra zpool (not root) data, jail etc are there, but when i update a jail it builds it on zroot under /usr/obj/poudriere (--sysroot) i cant find the setting in poudriere.conf to change that, have i overlooked something or do i have to make a new zfs-filesystem with mountpoint usr/obj/poudriere? 19:11:00 for my curl (and other command-line tool problems), curl loads successfully /usr/local/lib/libnghttp2.so.14 19:11:20 and as root, then loads /lib/libcrypto.so.111 but *doesn't* in userland 19:11:34 so only root can use fetch/git etc with tls 19:11:54 I can read the file easily enough, any ideas what might be missing here? 19:12:03 everything else (as seen by opensnoop) is the same 19:13:32 woop! 19:14:32 just one entry with wrong perms, /etc/ssl/certs//4042bcee.0 was enough 19:14:34 wow 19:14:38 what a timesuck 19:33:47 Question, i have setup poudriere on a extra zpool (not root) data, jail etc are there, but when i update a jail it builds it on zroot under /usr/obj/poudriere (--sysroot) i cant find the setting in poudriere.conf to change that, have i overlooked something or do i have to make a new zfs-filesystem with mountpoint usr/obj/poudriere? 19:43:17 Nixkernal: Check the poudriere.conf settings for ZPOOL and BASEFS 19:45:47 Nixkernal: My setup is similar: https://bsd.to/TKti 19:45:48 Title: dpaste/TKti (Bash) 19:47:32 afternoon my fellow bsders :) 19:54:52 dch: how did that happen? 20:14:49 does wayland take less resources than xorg? 20:25:50 i would not say too much less but it depends on how you test 20:29:32 it's an eee701 20:46:54 wow that's old 20:47:46 I had an eee701.. but it died.. great little box though.. really portable.. I used to lug it into datacentres and use it as a glorified serial console :D 20:48:13 yeah, finally found a browser that doesn't cause it to melt 20:48:24 wish it could take 12v 20:48:50 disk space is a constant struggle 20:57:10 lynx? :D 21:07:18 elinks, I think, even has support for JavaScript 21:28:23 I think Javascript melts machines 21:28:33 NoScript for the win 21:47:33 i need something graphicall 21:47:43 links does seem to work the best for tet 21:47:51 lynx ui is... not good 21:49:52 w3m-img does show the images (on demand); I think JavaScript is not there 21:54:16 i have used it too 22:04:53 ... so is a symlink to a directory a directory or a symlink? 22:17:21 Depends on the usage, access. "ls -L" vs "ls" - if the links is accessed you would get directory; if it is read, you would pointer (loosely speaking) to the directory 22:17:49 s/would pointer/would get pointer/ 22:20:43 I've been using uBlock Origin lately, instead of NoScript. I like it more. 22:20:59 I hit bugs with NoScript, also. 22:21:08 i see the error; the script on one host it was a symmlin and the other a directory 22:21:11 * zykotick9 was surprised w3m-img (from ports) didn't work in the console. He was happily surprised the other day to learn tmux has basic mouse support in console 22:25:29 rtprio, Perhaps change the script to not care if it is accessing a symbolic link? 22:28:23 ahhh, I need to correct my statement above, tmux's mouse support works in console. I, incorrectly, recalled having an issue the other day selecting windows that where split twice (horz & vert) - but it works fine right now! 22:29:04 parvXirc: i was trying to silence an error about not being able to symlink; problem was directory already existed so the script was woring as it should 22:29:30 zykotick9: yeah, it is kinda neat; i personally find it rather tiresome 22:29:31 rtprio, Ah. Right 22:30:58 rtprio: i was a screen user for years, tmux seems an improvement - the mouse thing is more of a novelty than an actual feature IMO. 23:47:49 How to check if installed world has been updated and aligned with content of /usr/src ? 23:49:34 "uname -a" would reference the commit whichever was used to do "installworld" 23:50:24 s/commit/& hash/ 23:57:18 https://termbin.com/z8pc