01:29:06 <ixmpp> is it possible to hotplug passthrough usb devices to and from bhyve vms?
01:35:18 <rtprio> i think it'd need to be the pci address of the whole usb controller
01:36:01 <rtprio> but it should
01:41:21 <ixmpp> 😩️
01:43:48 <ixmpp> this is a problem
01:44:02 <ixmpp> it's hard to have a hypervisor if you can't ...hypervise
01:44:39 <ixmpp> i can passthrough the entire usb bus, but then i can't input to the host
01:49:28 <cracauer> You could add a PCIe USB controller that you dedicate to the VM.
01:50:34 <ixmpp> that was my first thought, but the one controller i do have is partially broken so i can't get it to power on
02:59:42 <NatSocSiD> Hi, since I'm not getting the help I need in the pfsense channel, can I ask here? (I'm sorry if that's not a legit thing)
03:20:11 <CrtxReavr> Does pfsense still use FreeBSD?  I thought they were switching to linux.
03:24:19 <NatSocSiD> It still use FreeBSD 12.3 for the latest version
03:24:35 <NatSocSiD> But my issue is probably more related to pfsense than FreeBSD
05:23:09 <kp> CrtxReavr: pfSense is very much FreeBSD based, and there are no plans that I'm aware of (and I contract for Netgate...) to change that.
05:23:18 <kp> The upcoming 23.01 release will be based on FreeBSD main too.
05:41:55 <ixmpp> alright i got it to work on one of the "good day" runs, but damn, all the graphics are corrupted
05:42:12 <ixmpp> TIL wayland doesn't like the gpu being in passthrough mode, presumably
06:46:02 <rtprio> ixmpp: sorry man, don't know if any hypervisor will do that
07:00:57 <ixmpp> it works in theory
07:01:09 <ixmpp> if only we lived in theory
07:14:35 <endrift> I'm unsure how pfSense *could* switch to Linux, given, uh, pf
08:17:00 <rtprio> yea.... no
08:23:17 <NatSocSiD> How do I fix "DAD" issues? I'm getting this in the dmesg. em0: DAD detected duplicate IPv6 address 2001:470:1f07:26c::: NS in/out/loopback=0/1/0, NA in=1
08:23:17 <NatSocSiD> em0: DAD complete for 2001:470:1f07:26c:: - duplicate found
08:23:48 <NatSocSiD> I added fe80::1 as an alias to em0.... stupid me
08:24:07 <NatSocSiD> then I deleted it but now I have a "duplicated" and it causes all sorts of issues.
08:26:34 <rtprio> i would expect it to clear up if there truly is no duplicate address on the network
08:27:22 <NatSocSiD> It's been ~5 hours, I rebooted multiple time but unbound refuse to bind on 2001:470:1f07:26c: since I did this
08:36:23 <LxGHTNxNG> <reserves obvious sarcasm>
08:56:15 <rtprio> and that ip is in ifconfig ?
08:56:24 <rtprio> at this moment?
08:58:30 <rtprio> ixmpp: in theory there is no difference between theory and practice, while in practice there is.
09:21:11 <NatSocSiD> rtprio yes, but only one time. I'm not sure how it's duplicated
09:30:12 <ixmpp> i do like that quote
13:37:52 <dch> curl --cert-status -o /dev/null -vsS https://git.sr.ht/~dch/ports give me a weird error
13:37:53 <VimDiesel> Title: ~dch/ports - sourcehut git
13:38:25 <dch> * SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate
13:39:43 <debdrup> dch: do you have Mozilla's bundle installed?
13:40:19 <debdrup> Is your time accurate to within the margin of error for SSL/TLS?
13:40:38 <dch> debdrup: yes, although this is a CURRENT laptop so maybe some sloppy upgrading on my part
13:40:51 <dch> time is ok, and these sites work just fine in my browser
13:40:56 <dch> *firefox
13:41:07 <debdrup> Welp, then I'm out of ideas. :P
13:43:32 <dch> debdrup: they were both good ideas :-)
13:43:55 <dch> i will look for that script that regenerates tls certs that allan jude added a while back
13:44:14 <debdrup> certctl?
13:46:42 <dch> hmm probably
13:46:43 <dch> thanks!
13:46:55 <dch> certctl -v list is the same on both working and nonworking
13:51:19 <_JusSx_> is there a channel for helping porters?
13:52:57 <dch> yes
13:53:22 <dch> #bsdports on EFnet
13:53:43 <nimaje> there is #freebsd-ports here on libera too
13:53:48 <dch> and mmm #freebsd-ports on libera too
14:04:11 <_JusSx_> dch: thanks you very much
17:31:29 <rtprio> dch: do other Letsencrypt certs work ?
17:31:56 <dch> rtprio: its weird, browser works for everything, only commandline / curl
17:32:28 <dch> I think its all LE certs
17:32:47 <dch> I will do a fresh beinstall.sh soon
17:32:58 <dch> and then it will probably all work again
17:56:53 <daemon> when dealign with le acme.sh seems to do well with some tweaks
18:00:59 <dch> this is something missing in my / I think
18:06:44 <rtprio> can you pastebin the output?
18:28:11 <dch> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZMwmoq0k/
18:28:12 <VimDiesel> Title: Snippet | IRCCloud
18:28:14 <dch> ^rtprio
18:29:33 <rtprio> *  CAfile: /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt
18:29:33 <rtprio> *  CApath: none
18:30:36 <rtprio> dch is ca_root_nss installed ?
18:30:47 <dch> rtprio: yep
18:32:19 <rtprio> does curl --cacert /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt work ?
18:36:40 <dch> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LLxLtEF6/curl-freebsd
18:36:41 <VimDiesel> Title: Snippet | IRCCloud
18:37:13 <dch> rtprio: and with the forced caroot it works
18:37:18 <dch> let me delete & reinstall it
18:37:53 <dch> nope, thats not sufficient
18:37:58 <dch> but we're close
18:40:14 <dch> curl --cacert /etc/ssl/cert.pem https://freebsd.org/ -o /dev/null -4vsS works
18:40:15 <VimDiesel> Title: The FreeBSD Project
18:40:18 <dch> i.e. the softlink is fine
18:40:52 <rtprio> uh
18:41:27 <dch> so...
18:41:37 <dch> reverting to curl-7.86.0 works
18:41:39 <dch> hmmm
18:42:47 <dch> and curl-7.87.0 does not
18:42:52 <rtprio> i'm on 7.87
18:43:55 <dch> me too on my desktop, and this only breaks on my laptop
18:44:05 <dch> let me beinstall.sh and see if that fies it
18:44:17 <rtprio> what is beinstall.sh
18:45:33 <dch> oh boy are you in for some fun
18:45:44 <dch> https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?beinstall
18:45:46 <VimDiesel> Title: beinstall
18:46:07 <dch>  /usr/src/tools/build/beinstall.sh
18:46:40 <rtprio> how is that different than make installworld installkernel distrdistribution  DESTDIR=/mnt
18:48:11 <dch> rtprio: it does the plumbing the upgrade and the boot environment all for you
18:48:48 <rtprio> huhh
18:49:44 <dch> and if something fails all is nicely rolled back
18:50:35 <PredatorONormies> HI.
18:52:06 <PredatorONormies> Inside a FBSD Jail - is there a way to leak public internet IP address if the only internet connection is to an localhost port?
18:54:26 <rtprio> what do you mean?
18:54:43 <rtprio> wall $(dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com)
18:54:47 <rtprio> is that leaky enough?
18:55:45 <PredatorONormies> The point is to not leak my address
18:56:01 <PredatorONormies> And I said the only connection should be to localhost
18:56:14 <PredatorONormies> Is there some sort of history file that stores IP addresses on FBS?
18:56:19 <PredatorONormies> FBSD*
18:56:20 <rtprio> a) yes there is a way
18:56:26 <PredatorONormies> Really? How
18:56:31 <rtprio> b) it depends on what software you run
18:56:36 <PredatorONormies> How? Lol
18:56:38 <rtprio> c) i'm not sure how it matters
18:56:45 <PredatorONormies> c) it matters a lot
18:57:13 <PredatorONormies> b) how? The whole point of me using FreeBSD jails is to strictly control networking access
18:57:16 <PredatorONormies> a) how
18:57:43 <rtprio> how does it depend on the software?
18:57:49 <PredatorONormies> Yeah
18:58:03 <PredatorONormies> Software depends on internet access in order to reveal IP address, right?
18:58:24 <PredatorONormies> Think about it this way - what if I got some malware inside of an FBSD jail, and networking is strictly controlled?
19:01:25 <AReal486> Has anyone worked with bhyve and Windows 98 - is it even possible?
19:01:51 <llua> both ways you phased the question is vague enough to be yes or no
19:02:02 <rtprio> PredatorONormies: i don't know man, what software are you running?
19:02:12 <PredatorONormies> rtprio, Quark
19:02:17 <PredatorONormies> How does it matter what software?
19:02:27 <PredatorONormies> Like I said - imagine a fucking malicious person inside of the jail
19:02:31 <PredatorONormies> how hard can that be?
19:02:32 <PredatorONormies> :(
19:02:34 <PredatorONormies> why you bully me
19:02:48 <PredatorONormies> I need a jail for untrusted use
19:02:57 <rtprio> yes, a malicious person inside a jail can figure out your public ip address.
19:02:58 <dch> PredatorONormies: settle down please nobody's sassing you here
19:03:06 <PredatorONormies> rtprio, how?
19:03:16 <dch> PredatorONormies: a simple curl http://jsonip.com/ will show the external NAT IP
19:03:21 <rtprio> PredatorONormies: try that dig command i pasted
19:03:47 <AReal486> llua I just want to know if it's even possible to get Windows 98 working on bhyve. I've cloned a disk with dd and want to see if I can make it boot.
19:03:53 <dch> if you want to be hidden, then use tor or  tor + vpn
19:03:54 <rtprio> PredatorONormies: in my experience just answering the question is not that great in getting people to understand. which is why i ask, "what software, and why is it a problem"
19:04:22 <llua> AReal486: i wasn't responding to you
19:04:24 <rtprio> but quark is static files how are they going to root you that way
19:04:30 <AReal486> oh, that was perfect timing then
19:04:34 <llua> indeed
19:05:25 <PredatorONormies> curl: (6) Could not resolve host:
19:05:35 <PredatorONormies> Like I said - only networking connection should be localhost
19:05:41 <rtprio> /r/homelab is full of people trying to hide their ip address and i simply cannot understand the attack surface
19:05:44 <PredatorONormies> dch, see? It doesn't
19:05:49 <dch> AReal486: I can't imagine anybody has ever tried, https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve/Windows doesnt show it
19:05:50 <VimDiesel> Title: bhyve/Windows - FreeBSD Wiki
19:06:02 <rtprio> how are you going to serve any web files if it's only on localhost?
19:06:04 <dch> PredatorONormies: ok, if you don't have *any* network access then ofc it won't work
19:06:21 <PredatorONormies> rtprio, the proxy per-say is outside of jail xD
19:06:31 <PredatorONormies> dch, BAKA
19:06:31 <dch> PredatorONormies: but if you have network access then I will find your IP, curl is convenient, netcat is also functional
19:06:38 <PredatorONormies> I am bad at explaining myself
19:06:42 <rtprio> AReal486: i don't expect it to work, but let me see if i have that iso
19:07:06 <dch> PredatorONormies: if you can't stop throwing insults around I have better things to do
19:07:14 <PredatorONormies> I do ip4.addr="lo0|127. (some local IP)"
19:07:37 * dch nods
19:07:38 <PredatorONormies> dch, what insulted you?
19:08:23 <PredatorONormies> And I disabled IPv6 access
19:08:27 <PredatorONormies> networking
19:08:46 <dch> AReal486: maaaybe if you install sysutils/uefi-edk2-bhyve-csm as well, it might work?
19:08:50 <rtprio> well you still have some local ip and with an ip there is a chance for it to... escape
19:09:05 <PredatorONormies> Anything else I should know about? :/ Like I asked - I did in the past connect with a real straight (no bunny-hopping) internet connection so I might fear there is somewhere a log file with the IP address
19:09:19 <PredatorONormies> rtprio, lol how?
19:09:29 <dch> PredatorONormies: I think we're assuming this:
19:09:34 <rtprio> PredatorONormies: we don't know enough of your layout to give you an answer
19:09:42 <PredatorONormies> the IP doesn't directly connect to internet (on the outside of jail, where localhost connection mounts to next0
19:09:47 <dch> internet <> router <> jail host running some proxy <> jail with loopback IP
19:09:50 <PredatorONormies> ;-;
19:09:58 <PredatorONormies> dch, probably yes
19:10:04 <dch> and you have something exploited that escapes to the jail only
19:10:09 <PredatorONormies> I thought htat was obvious
19:10:16 <PredatorONormies> exploited?
19:10:26 <dch> welcome to the internet
19:10:28 <PredatorONormies> something malicious, let's call it
19:10:31 <PredatorONormies> lol?
19:10:41 <PredatorONormies> can't we just use hand signals?
19:11:11 <dch> so we have a compromised process in the jail
19:11:17 <PredatorONormies> oky
19:11:23 <dch> and what exactly are you worried about here that it does?
19:11:40 <PredatorONormies> there are a few possible things it could do
19:11:48 <PredatorONormies> let's focus on the easiest one to exploit
19:12:15 <dch> from the jail, I can think of at least 5 ways I could identify the external IP of your router, presumably all behind NAT.
19:12:24 <PredatorONormies> Like I said - in the past I connceted like this for some reasons I forgot: internet <> router <> jail, and perhaps there is public IP address LOGGED somewhere within that jail?
19:12:29 <PredatorONormies> FIVE?
19:12:42 <dch> I'm not even warmed up
19:13:06 <PredatorONormies> let me hold your beer
19:13:10 <dch> so inside the jail, running e.g. nginx or something like that?
19:13:28 <PredatorONormies> something like that
19:13:36 <dch> and you want to know if inside the jail itself, the public gateway (i.e. router) address would be visible?
19:13:42 <PredatorONormies> but let's say even that got somehow compromised
19:13:45 <PredatorONormies> what
19:13:49 <PredatorONormies> yeah
19:14:03 <PredatorONormies> aka public IP address that can deanonymize me
19:14:12 <dch> so yes this is very easy
19:14:18 <PredatorONormies> :( how
19:14:40 <dch> the jail has network access, and is receiving inbound traffic, and has a compromised process inside it
19:14:52 <PredatorONormies> not direct network access, remember
19:14:56 <PredatorONormies> proxy aka firewall
19:15:01 <PredatorONormies> You ever heard of Tor?
19:15:07 <dch> *sigh*
19:22:13 <BarnabasDK> Tor as in the system invented by US intelligence?
19:22:19 <CrtxReavr> kp, perhaps I was confusing pfSense with OpenNAS?
19:22:45 <daemon> even tor is not a perfet scape goat anyway
19:22:53 <daemon> you can poison it with enough nodes offering relay
19:23:33 * CrtxReavr wonders how many TOR gateways are run by "three-letter organizations."
19:23:36 <daemon> enough trusted peers within its web that is, saying a .onion is somewhere
19:23:44 <daemon> CrtxReavr, I imagine far to many
19:24:10 <BarnabasDK> and who controls the root keys for decrypting stuff
19:24:23 <daemon> there are no root keys
19:24:31 <daemon> its peer to peer for every link
19:24:36 <BarnabasDK> true
19:25:53 <BarnabasDK> so three points of attack, the algoritm, the key and the person
19:26:35 <BarnabasDK> I do definately not trust tor in any way since I don't know all of them
19:26:47 <CrtxReavr> Even if you're using (and trust) tor, you should still be using encrypted protocols over it.
19:26:59 <BarnabasDK> that is a a way yes
19:28:32 <daemon> in modern security as with old security the easiest is generally the person
19:28:48 <daemon> spear phishing and its ilk often have the greatest chance of success
19:28:51 <BarnabasDK> always
19:28:56 <BarnabasDK> or just his dustbin
19:29:20 <daemon> data/dumpster diving :D haha I remember that from years ago I bet it still would be true of modern organisations
19:29:29 <BarnabasDK> it is
19:29:57 <BarnabasDK> you may not get keys, but there is plenty of user ids to be had
19:29:57 <daemon> I seen a bit of spam recently I thought was quite innovative
19:30:01 <BarnabasDK> pwds
19:30:23 <daemon> https://i.imgur.com/vla2tf6.png
19:30:33 <daemon> ^ obviously stuffed blocked out for sanity reasons
19:30:37 <daemon> and no one visit any url seen there
19:31:07 <BarnabasDK> ah that is quite inventive
19:31:12 <daemon> was sent to my work email address which is a tech firm
19:31:16 <BarnabasDK> got one lately from "the water works"
19:31:45 <daemon> oh what was they offering
19:32:00 <BarnabasDK> in order to sync our new accounting system please log in and key in your current water usage
19:32:03 <BarnabasDK> etc
19:32:13 <BarnabasDK> log in being the part they where after
19:32:38 <daemon> ooooh that is quite like the one our HR manager got, the persons resposible looked up who worked for ou company and emailed her asking up date payment/bank details to them as they changed banks
19:32:52 <BarnabasDK> i DK we have a common public login system
19:33:52 <daemon> weird when you start appreciating the efforts of the scammers/spammers
19:34:27 <daemon> though innovation is innovation wherever it appears I suppose
19:34:39 <parv> :-)
19:35:09 <BarnabasDK> in fact all you have to guess in order to send a login request to someone is probably the user id  today :-)
19:35:16 <daemon> pretty sure they will all become awesome at marketing, development or automation shortly :D
19:35:29 <BarnabasDK> "do you wish to login - swipe right"
19:36:06 <BarnabasDK> there is one swipe between you and personal bankruptcy I suppose
19:36:19 <BarnabasDK> ok .. that is a bit populistic
19:36:27 <BarnabasDK> but - a password would be nice
19:38:47 <Thoth> Hi People
20:29:37 <PredatorONormies> > <BarnabasDK> Tor as in the system invented by US intelligence? < Yes
20:29:44 <PredatorONormies> https://torproject.org
20:29:46 <VimDiesel> Title: Tor Project | Anonymity Online
20:30:05 <PredatorONormies> > <daemon> even tor is not a perfet scape goat anyway < Probably, yeah
20:30:15 <PredatorONormies> > <daemon> you can poison it with enough nodes offering relay < That's why I prefer I2P :)
20:30:55 <PredatorONormies> daemon, do you have some advice?
20:31:11 <daemon> advice on what>
20:31:18 <PredatorONormies> I'm trying to host a site from within a FBSD Jail, and have it be as secure from leaking my IP as possible
20:31:24 <PredatorONormies> You seem to be familiar with Tor
20:31:27 <PredatorONormies> what about Jails?
20:31:36 <PredatorONormies> dch seems to have given up
20:31:40 <daemon> yse I am I host several tor services but that is nothing to do with jails
20:31:51 <daemon> you could simply install tor within the jail and offer a hidden service
20:32:11 <daemon> run nginx or ngircd or w/e you want
20:32:20 <daemon> bind it to localhost and point the tor hidden service at it
20:32:26 <PredatorONormies> I run Quark xD remember it?
20:32:29 <PredatorONormies> I do, daemon
20:32:35 <daemon> I do not know what quark is
20:32:36 <PredatorONormies> I run Tor outside of jails, on the host
20:32:39 <PredatorONormies> and the site within a jail
20:32:47 <PredatorONormies> we worked on Quark just recently
20:32:49 <rtprio> you guys are still on about this?
20:32:51 <PredatorONormies> remmber that redirect bug?
20:32:56 <PredatorONormies> Of course
20:32:58 <PredatorONormies> it's not a small deal to me
20:33:02 <daemon> PredatorONormies, no I helped you with a buffering issue involving stdio
20:33:09 <daemon> I did not even look up what quark is
20:33:25 <daemon> anyhowe
20:33:35 <daemon> if you run a website or ircd or something within a jail
20:33:42 <PredatorONormies> daemon, that, yes
20:33:45 <PredatorONormies> xD
20:33:47 <daemon> all you do is create a bridge for that jail to be attached to that is not reachable via the outside internet
20:33:55 <PredatorONormies> y
20:34:08 <daemon> you run tor on the host and point a hidden service to the internal ip of the service of the internal bridge
20:34:17 <PredatorONormies> dch> internet <> router <> jail host running some proxy <> jail with loopback IP
20:34:18 <PredatorONormies> This, right?
20:34:20 <daemon> the service is not connectable via the outside internet only via a tor hidden onion
20:34:42 <PredatorONormies> Yeah
20:35:08 <PredatorONormies> dch said there are at least 5 ways he could at the time remember, with which one can deanonymize from within the jail
20:35:32 <daemon> depends how insane you want to be
20:35:35 <PredatorONormies> I connected with the jail directly to the internet before, would there be any self public IP logged anywhere?
20:35:38 <daemon> a generic non vnet jail
20:35:41 <PredatorONormies> daemon, pretty insane?
20:35:42 <daemon> yeah that sounds about right
20:35:53 <PredatorONormies> right.. I think I don't have a vnet? But I have some vnet devfs rules so IDk
20:36:03 <daemon> there are two types of jails
20:36:12 <daemon> ones based on VIMAGE and ones that are not
20:36:24 <daemon> the ones that are not share there localhost, with the host system
20:36:26 <PredatorONormies> VIMAGE?
20:36:28 <daemon> this is like chroot in linux
20:36:34 <daemon> VIMAGE style jails have their own IP stack
20:36:41 <PredatorONormies> oh
20:36:53 <daemon> if you wanted even more isolation there is also bhyve which is an actual hypervisor
20:37:03 <PredatorONormies> in jail.conf I did `ip4="lo0|127..."`
20:37:15 <PredatorONormies> sounds like insecure bloat
20:37:31 <daemon> I am not prepared to teach you the difference between those three ^ as it would take hours and I am busy trying to get drunk
20:37:31 <PredatorONormies> wraping a RAGING dog in toilet paper
20:37:49 <PredatorONormies> > trying to get drunk < sounds familiar xD
20:37:51 <daemon> however
20:37:54 <rtprio> PredatorONormies: ok, not sure where you get that info from
20:37:58 <PredatorONormies> I drink wine so slow that I cannot really get drunk
20:38:05 <PredatorONormies> because otherwise I'd have to go pee rly often
20:38:13 <daemon> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/vimage-setup-guide.49561/
20:38:13 <PredatorONormies> rtprio, what info from?
20:38:13 <VimDiesel> Title: VIMAGE: Setup Guide | The FreeBSD Forums
20:38:14 <daemon> this is old
20:38:16 <PredatorONormies> xD
20:38:18 <daemon> but I believe still accurate
20:38:20 <rtprio> PredatorONormies: your info on bhyve
20:38:40 <PredatorONormies> rtprio,  no info
20:38:47 <PredatorONormies> daemon, rejected
20:38:56 <PredatorONormies> Does forums.freebsd.org ban the Tor network?
20:39:12 <rtprio> connect with it and see
20:39:19 <rtprio> we can't do everything for you
20:39:19 <PredatorONormies> I did, rejecte
20:39:21 <daemon> Many websites seemingly do not allow you to access them via tor due to protection from DDOS provided via things like cloudflare
20:39:45 <PredatorONormies> That's not what I meant
20:39:56 <daemon> the tor network is massive
20:39:58 <PredatorONormies> someone I "knew" just did a firewall rule to block the Tor network
20:40:01 <PredatorONormies> and this same error appeared
20:40:04 <PredatorONormies> I know
20:40:05 <daemon> certain nodes may be banned certain ones may not be
20:40:16 <daemon> you can't just block the tor network
20:40:17 <PredatorONormies> newer ones aren't, I know.
20:40:26 <PredatorONormies> You can the majority of it
20:40:28 <daemon> 100's of exit nodes leave and re-appear every minute
20:40:33 <PredatorONormies> all exit nodes are public, by which I mean their IP addresses
20:40:48 <daemon> for the services they wish to allow you to connect to yes
20:40:53 <PredatorONormies> Yeah I know, but I won't be sitting here for 2 hours just to try and load a fucking page lol
20:41:03 <rtprio> PredatorONormies: based on this whole converstation i'm not sure you have a very soild grasp of ip networks
20:41:16 <PredatorONormies> ??
20:41:23 <daemon> well then get a cell/mobile phone paid for in cash and a pay2go data plan, in conjunction with a cash laptop from facebook and use that from a field
20:41:25 <daemon> problem solved
20:41:39 <PredatorONormies> XD
20:41:52 <PredatorONormies> what about satellites? (a joke, obviously)
20:41:54 <daemon> also boot the laptop from a live usb
20:42:17 <daemon> im starting to wonder what the hell you are trying to hide from
20:42:17 <PredatorONormies> No need
20:42:20 <PredatorONormies> I don't use ShitScripts
20:42:31 <PredatorONormies> daemon, the governments, of course.
20:42:32 <rtprio> what's a shitscript?
20:42:50 <daemon> toilet paper? I mean maybe?
20:43:07 <PredatorONormies> JavaScript, TypeScript, any kind of manipulation one can done on the user computer.. obviously I'm not talking about something like just HTML (which isn't really a programming langauge)
20:43:17 <PredatorONormies> lol
20:43:38 <daemon> well html is a markup language - its in th name :)
20:43:48 <rtprio> i have no idea what you're on about, or what javascript has to do with... hiding your ip from the government or what
20:43:53 <PredatorONormies> hyper-text-markup-language, did I guess right?
20:44:06 <daemon> im going for a smoke
20:44:08 <PredatorONormies> rtprio, it has all the DO about it
20:44:25 <PredatorONormies> rtprio, you obviously aren't educated about the concept of browser attacks
20:44:40 <PredatorONormies> daemon, have fun.. I hope we can talk some more.
20:45:06 <rtprio> you have no idea what i'm educated in, but what do browser attacks have to do with hosting some shitty httpd in a jail
20:45:39 <PredatorONormies> rtprio, who said they do?
20:45:58 <V_PauAmma_V> Is this the right channel for this discussion?
20:46:02 <rtprio> nope
20:46:06 <rtprio> moving on
20:46:42 <PredatorONormies> Yeah
20:46:52 <PredatorONormies> > <PredatorONormies> I don't use ShitScripts < I cannot figure out why I said this '<PredatorONormies> I don't use ShitScripts'
20:47:16 <PredatorONormies> whoops
20:47:30 <PredatorONormies> I need a slap on the face to wake the fuck up
20:47:56 <PredatorONormies> nice name
20:48:30 <rtprio> maybe a slap will change your mind about fool's folly of "hiding my ip address"
20:49:50 <PredatorONormies> It's not a fool's folly. The dangers I have might not seem real to you because you cannot imagine how dangerous governments are. Why would you? You seem to be a normie. Let me guess, you think you got nothing to hide, right?
20:50:01 <rtprio> stay on topic
20:50:13 <PredatorONormies> you continued it again
20:50:37 <rtprio> ok man, then good luck figuring it out
20:50:51 <rtprio> it's not paranoia if they're actually after you
20:51:28 <PredatorONormies> It isn't paranoia if you know what their rules are and you're breaking them :) not to mention worse happening to other people
20:52:33 <rtprio> maybe Ross Ulbricht can help you
20:54:28 <PredatorONormies> Laugh all you want, before you burn for your mistakes, by the hands you trusted in.
20:54:45 <PredatorONormies> That almost sounded cool
20:55:49 <rtprio> almost as cool as almost running illegal services on tor and serving life in prison
20:57:45 <PredatorONormies> > If you feed a dog, the dog will protect its feeder, regardless of him being
20:57:45 <PredatorONormies> good or bad
20:57:45 <PredatorONormies> - unknown, unknown
21:24:26 <dch> well this graylog 4.3.9 -> 5.0.2 upgrade is turning into a fairly diabolical experience
21:24:50 <dch> needs to upgrade mongodb 3 times to get to mongo 5.0
21:25:09 <dch> and now elasticsearch isn't supported so I need to migrate all the things to opensearch 2.0
21:25:26 <dch> (recall the elastic vs AWS drama and subsequent fork)
22:16:30 <meena> dch: why does graylog need MongoDB?
22:16:39 <dch> meena: for config
22:16:46 <dch> config & data are separated
22:17:00 <dch> if only theyd used something else than mongo
22:42:20 <meena> dch: after three upgrades of MongoDB you'd want to fake it with PostgreSQL?
22:47:28 <polyex> pkg can haz i3 4.22?
22:57:31 <V_PauAmma_V> polyex, is it can be bogzila tiem nao?