06:09:19 <_xor> Is there a way to get /usr/bin/file to test for and dump out whether the given file is an ELF executable or not? (or am I going to have to utilize cut?)
06:10:09 <_xor> I'm whipping up a quick script that scans a dir tree for executable files (executables + *.so basically) and generates a recursive tree of dependencies.
06:11:02 <_xor> I'm using fd-find and just noticed that it lists /usr/local/bin/bdftogd as an executable, but it's a perl script. So obviously ldd fails on it.
06:22:26 <parv> Try "--brief --mime-type" options? https://termbin.com/jjjk0
06:24:08 <parv> Or, see "--mime" option for bit more verbose output than "--mime-type"
06:29:10 <rtprio> technically it is executable
06:35:58 <parv> So perhaps match on "application/x-(.+?)?executable$" (with "--mime-type" option)
06:40:00 <parv> "file" has "--exclude" option to exclude a test but failed to see any option to supply a (list of) specific test(s)
06:51:17 <rtprio> si there not a better way to do this?
06:51:28 <rtprio> like take a snapshot and diff it to before you install
06:56:46 <polyex> if i got fbsd 13.1 p3, why does freebsd-update fetch say no updates needed to update system to ... 13.1 p5?
07:02:12 <parv> The FAQ does not have the answer to abov e FAQ.
07:02:52 <parv> (The FAQ: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/faq/ )
07:02:53 <VimDiesel> Title: Frequently Asked Questions for FreeBSD 12.X and 13.X | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
07:24:46 <parv> *sigh*
07:26:13 <parv> When there are no updates in the kernel, kernel version is not changed. If there are changes in user land, there version is bumped up. See manual page of "freebsd-version"; run it with "-rku" options
07:30:14 <parv> For longer term reference, see https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/kernel-userland-mismatch-version.62948/
07:30:15 <VimDiesel> Title: Solved - Kernel/userland mismatch version | The FreeBSD Forums
07:30:47 <parv> (... very likely one of many)
07:32:17 <polyex> tyvm!
07:33:10 <parv> The FreeBSD project really should just bump up all the damn versions to the same string already :-|
07:33:33 <polyex> ya or make the output text more clear
07:39:44 <V_PauAmma_V> parv, I believe the reasoning behind that is that unless the kernel version changed, you don't need to reload the kernel (and thus, reboot). You just need to go single-user and back to multi-user. IMO that's misguided because 1- for ease, many would reboot anyway; and 2- some configurations require rebooting for non-kernel reasons, eg ZFS-on-root if the ZFS module changed. But that's very much an
07:39:50 <V_PauAmma_V> uphill fight.
07:40:47 <V_PauAmma_V> (IOW, I agree.)
07:47:31 * parv nods
07:56:31 <parv> What really gets me is that a security advisory does not (explicitly) mentions to check the user land version e.g. in case of https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-22:15.ping.asc
07:57:58 <parv> In that regard life is simpler, less stressful due to source (install & then later) upgrade
08:01:25 <parv> afk
11:35:34 <yo9fah> Happy New Year 2023!
11:37:24 <PredatorONormies> Are you in fucking Japan?
11:40:09 <yo9fah> W000W I have to be in Japan!?
11:42:51 <PredatorONormies> Yeah
11:44:23 <yo9fah> lol
11:44:33 <yo9fah> Not yet! But I can move with freebsd! ;)
11:46:05 <PredatorONormies> xD
11:46:15 <pertho> it's 2023 in NZ
11:46:39 <yo9fah> wooow
11:46:45 <souji> I still have somewhat 11 hours left till new year xD
11:47:03 <pertho> still 3 and a quarter hours to go in Japan
11:47:10 <souji> xD
11:47:18 <yo9fah> xD
11:54:32 <PredatorONormies> oh
11:55:38 <souji> what
12:52:20 <PredatorONormies> Hey, does anyone know how to make a subtitle compatible with an TV receiver? What it seems to reject: subtitles with BOM or that are LF line-terminated, but should be CRLF line-terminated
12:52:29 <PredatorONormies> Those 2 seemed to be the problem
12:52:40 <PredatorONormies> (and seems that it needs to be UTF-8)
12:52:53 <PredatorONormies> and now it seems that even that doesn't fix the problem for every title
12:53:28 <PredatorONormies> file SUBTITLE.srt - it's, for example, 'Unicode text, UTF-8 text, with CRLF line terminators', but it still doesn't work in the TV
12:53:41 <vortexx> PredatorONormies: sounds like you might need unix2dos or dos2unix
12:53:44 <PredatorONormies> it's recognized, but it does not work (works in my PC, but not TV receiver trough USB)
12:53:52 <PredatorONormies> :( what's that?
12:54:06 <PredatorONormies> I fear it's some hidden characters in the file that are shit
12:54:15 <vortexx> a program to convert text files from unix carriage returns to dos carriage returns and vice-versa
12:54:52 <PredatorONormies> oh, really? but if `file` shows 'CRLF', then it should work, no?
12:55:03 <vortexx> it should yes
12:55:05 <PredatorONormies> or perhaps it's not on every line and somehow not up to the standard expected?
12:56:08 <PredatorONormies> would unix2dos fix subtitles with such problem?
12:56:09 <PredatorONormies> In any case - I've seen unix2dos mentioned a lot.. I just thought I could do it on my own.. I probably could but..
12:56:49 <PredatorONormies> lol initial release 1989
12:58:43 <PredatorONormies> Thanks
13:29:02 <zykotick9> PredatorONormies: you might want to check out what features subtitlecomposer and/or subtools in ports/multimedia do.
14:33:28 <PredatorONormies> zykotick9, good fucking idea ;-; I am so stupid, I never thought to do that
15:23:24 <meena> some TVs can't deal with external subtitles no matter what the format
15:34:09 <meena> and by TV, i mean firmware. (if you could do anything about it, I'd call it software)
16:53:32 <rtprio> 3
17:22:04 <PredatorONormies> meena, Hmmm interesting
17:22:15 <PredatorONormies> No wait waht no
17:22:19 <PredatorONormies> what* no, it can
17:22:37 <PredatorONormies> Like I said - lots of subtitles work with the file specification that I mentioned
17:22:44 <PredatorONormies> just a few didn't
17:23:08 <PredatorONormies> and I somehow managed to turn LF to CR/LF, but even that didn't help for all of them
18:19:21 <PredatorONormies> Heey, is there a way for 2 computers to connect DIRECTLY to each other trough a switch?
18:19:37 <PredatorONormies> I came to believe it's a faulty switch.
18:20:03 <PredatorONormies> isn't there something like ARP or something?
18:20:27 <PredatorONormies> meena
18:25:09 <rtprio> connect directly? arp is only one layer
18:25:31 <rtprio> usually they connect with 'tcp' but obviously, both would need an ip address
18:26:26 <rtprio> are you trying to connect to your tv?
18:30:26 <PredatorONormies> IP address? don't they got a MAC address and shit?
18:30:27 <PredatorONormies> nah
18:30:29 <PredatorONormies> I got a switch
18:30:46 <PredatorONormies> and I want 2 computers to talk directly trough the switch without an router/modem
18:31:02 <meena> PredatorONormies: you need an ethernet cable. not sure if it needs to be a special one, or if ethernet NICs these days can deal with whatever
18:31:03 <PredatorONormies> Or should I have bought a separate router just for my little network?
18:31:10 <PredatorONormies> the name "router" makes more sense xD
18:31:22 <PredatorONormies> I got a ethernet cable
18:31:27 <PredatorONormies> Like I said - all connected trough switch
18:31:45 <PredatorONormies> cannot I just like `ssh SOME-MAC-ADDRESS`?
18:33:02 <V_PauAmma_V> No.
18:33:54 <PredatorONormies> Is there anything that I can do with this switch?
18:34:03 <PredatorONormies> I should have got another router :(
18:34:13 <PredatorONormies> I want shit to be routed without internet access
18:35:53 <V_PauAmma_V> You can use private (RFC1918) IPv4 addresses, or the IPv6 equivalents, but you need IP addresses for any IP network, whether there's a router on it or not.
18:37:52 <meena> remember the network before IP and TCP?
18:39:00 <V_PauAmma_V> Arpanet? Cyclades?
18:44:01 <PredatorONormies> bacl
18:44:03 <PredatorONormies> back*
18:44:23 <PredatorONormies> I do have a laptop that has some sort of modem port on it.. and it's similar to an ethernet port, but it has 2 wires, and the ethernet plug doesn't go in it..
18:46:35 <PredatorONormies> Hmmm out
18:47:58 <meena> V_PauAmma_V: I was thinking… other things, but i can't remember. I thought OS/2 implemented them, but it looks like it was just doing standard (BSD;) TCP/IP
18:48:18 <V_PauAmma_V> Is the connector smaller but with the same shape as Ethernet?
18:48:53 <meena> IPX/SPX
18:49:26 <V_PauAmma_V> Oh, XNS. I *hated* that.
18:50:24 <meena> somehow, i confused OS/2 with Novell Netware
18:55:29 <meena> and who could forget NetBIOS? (I could, easily)
18:56:21 <V_PauAmma_V> I wish I could.
19:02:20 <PredatorONormies> back
19:12:35 <PredatorONormies> is 'bridging' what I'm looking for?
19:16:13 <PredatorONormies> no
19:23:14 <meena> PredatorONormies: you want to setup a compatible IP on each end
19:23:48 <PredatorONormies> I am confused ;( I cannot think because my eyes hurt
19:24:07 <PredatorONormies> how do I do that? with arp or ifconfig?
19:24:09 <PredatorONormies> or dchp?
19:24:22 <meena> PredatorONormies: DHCP can do that for you, yes
19:26:12 <PredatorONormies> 0.o really?
19:27:02 <PredatorONormies> Do you know of any guide/tutorial?
19:35:31 <meena> basically, you setup dhcpd or dnsmasq on one of the computers, and you plug the ethernet into both.
19:36:43 <PredatorONormies> same thing if I have a switch in-between the two?
19:38:59 <meena> PredatorONormies: switches are no routing boundaries, so, yes
19:40:00 <PredatorONormies> o.o
19:40:04 <PredatorONormies> h-hoy
19:40:06 <PredatorONormies> h-hot
19:40:22 <PredatorONormies> thenks, ill report back
20:03:14 <pertho> meena: Banyan Vines? :D
20:08:47 <meena> pertho: ethernet over token ring
20:23:34 <pertho> I worked at a place that had token ring (late 90s).. sometimes I would set one of the machines to 4 MB/s so it'd bring the entire ring down to 4 MB/s from 16 MB/s.. just for the heck of it :P
20:32:18 <meena> when we didn't wanna do lab work, we'd just remove the terminator. and then they switched to ethernet…
20:35:04 <rtprio> haha
20:35:43 <rtprio> i was the vip at a lan party because i had the only hub with both ethernet and bnc; before i arrived there were two networks
20:39:13 * zykotick9 remembers a friend showing up with a 50 port switch, borrowed from an office, to a LAN party he was having... nostalgia.
20:44:50 * meena only ever helped with the network setup at LAN parties, cuz she always sucked at games
20:48:30 <zykotick9> I also remember, years later, while working for Dell tech support.  A co-worker was someone who had been to several of my LAN parties, one of the first words out of their mouth to me - Do you still have LAN parties!?  heh, the answer was no.  It was actually Compaq people at my LAN parties.  Ahhh, old OEMs... nostalgia.
20:50:40 <pertho> rtprio: lan parties.. wow.. I miss those
20:51:26 <pertho> bring beer and pizza.. gaming all night. and sharing files.. and in one case in January driving home in a snowstorm at 3am
20:51:43 * zykotick9 actually still plays Quake 3, ut2003 (demo), and ut2004 (demo) on his freebsd workstation currently
20:53:55 <zykotick9> The CRT monitors at the time where hell to move, I don't miss those!
20:54:02 <pertho> zykotick9: how do you play ut2004 on freebsd? With the linux-u-lator? or WINE?
20:54:13 <zykotick9> pertho: linuxulator
20:54:26 <pertho> I tried getting ut2004 working on my void linux box but.. you can't get libstdc++.so.5 any more :(
20:54:40 <pertho> but getting it running on FreeBSD would be better
20:54:46 <zykotick9> ironically, it installs in Debian but won't run - copy the folder to FreeBSD and it runs great
20:54:59 <zykotick9> LOL - that's the debian issue as well ;)
20:55:36 <pertho> Quake 3 has workarounds nowadays like: https://ioquake3.org/  (which I've played on OpenBSD.. I'm sure FreeBSD may have a port of it)
20:55:40 <VimDiesel> Title: ioquake3 – Play Quake 3 and make new games
20:55:56 <zykotick9> i use ioquake3
20:57:24 <pertho> I still host quakeworld and quake 2 servers (and xonotic) on occasion for the folks in #openbsd-gaming :D
20:57:46 <zykotick9> i've also got quake2(linux port)/doomsday for doom and doom2/dhewm3 for doom3 installed, but rarely play them.
20:58:47 <zykotick9> the quake4-demo part runs on a freebsd box with an AMD video card, but freezes the graphics system during play :(  on my freebsd/nvidia box it doesn't run :(
20:59:11 <zykotick9> s/part/port/
20:59:13 <dvl> I have two 12.3 hosts, everything else is on 13.1 - time to update those two hosts.
20:59:37 <pertho> I did get nvidia optimus working on FreeBSD 13.1.. but I gave up because a game I wanted to play kept disconnecting from the network every 2-5 minutes randomly..
21:00:23 <zykotick9> my two workstations are almost identical (except for RAM) both run FreeBSD 13.1 but I use ports (directly) on one, and the other I stick to using pkg for everything.
21:04:21 <rtprio> pertho: i miss 'em too
21:04:45 <rtprio> i have 2 13 hosts and the rest are 14
21:06:13 <meena> when is 13.0 going EOL? almost all of my jails are 13.0, and… i feel like i need to do something radical to upgrade them… like… switching to buildah + podman.
21:07:22 <rtprio> i saw that peter wemm was doing that too
21:09:34 <meena> I just need to teach buildah how to build jails with PkgBase…
21:10:41 <meena> rtprio: where? https://blog.crashed.org/
21:10:42 <VimDiesel> Title: Stuff and things - Peter Wemm's personal blog
21:12:03 <rtprio> @karinjiri⊙sco/109604238075550550
21:13:04 <mason> meena: Take care to get snapshots and such when you upgrade them. I've had point releases break services in the past.
21:27:10 <V_PauAmma_V> meena, 13.0 reached EOL end of August 2022 IIRC.
21:29:57 <ghoti> I've installed bind-tools-9.18.7. The manpage for dnssec-keygen tells me: "In prior releases, HMAC algorithms could be generated for use as TSIG keys, but that feature was removed in BIND 9.13.0. Use tsig-keygen to generate TSIG keys." Where do I find tsig-keygen?
21:32:01 * ghoti waves to dvl
21:32:13 <V_PauAmma_V> In dns/bind918.
21:33:11 <dvl> yo.. Upgrade done.
21:33:32 <V_PauAmma_V> (Answer courtesy of pkg-provides.)
21:33:39 <ghoti> V_PauAmma_V: I was hoping it might be shoved off in a corner like bind-tools, so I could avoid installing all the parts of bind I don't need. Like, every other part besides nsupdate.
21:34:00 <ghoti> Ah, thanks for the reference, that will reduce my noise in the future.
21:35:04 <nimaje> freshports can search pkg-plists too
21:35:15 <dvl> Yes, yes, it can.
21:48:39 <meena> V_PauAmma_V: oooof
21:50:52 <nimaje> 3 month after the 13.1 release so yes about august
21:52:04 <nimaje> see also https://www.freebsd.org/security/#sup
21:52:05 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD Security Information | The FreeBSD Project
22:21:23 <zykotick9> Also in retro-gaming-FreeBSD-news, for the last two months the FreeBSD ports tree has had the "current" version of MAME!  Me and three other people rejoice!  It's a different situatation than usual, for a while OpenBSD had a more recent version.  MAME's newest version came out a couple of days ago, nothin' in Freshports yet - but if the FreeBSD port gets upgraded again - it would be 2 versions ahead of
22:21:29 <zykotick9> Debian's development branch sid.  <- something I never dreampt would happen
22:24:29 <pertho> Yaay Mame
22:24:36 <pertho> been a while since I looked at it tho
22:33:24 <zykotick9> pertho: LAN parties and MAME, you're my kinda people ;)  Happy new year.
22:35:06 <zykotick9> ^ UT / LAN parties / MAME actually
22:36:01 <pertho> :)
22:56:24 <ngortheone> Happy New Year everyone!!!
23:09:26 <debdrup> happy new year folks
23:09:42 <ixmpp> gmt+1, then
23:09:46 <ixmpp> west europe
23:10:29 <xtile> Isn't UTC+1 central europe?
23:10:55 <debdrup> ixmpp: if you're trying to figure out where I'm from, you can just ask..
23:11:02 <debdrup> ..though it's not exactly a secret. :P
23:12:36 <ixmpp> i know, i just like the minigame
23:12:45 <ixmpp> thats my new years fun
23:13:34 <V_PauAmma_V> xtile, there's that misbegotten thing called DST. :-)
23:14:09 <ixmpp> same thing though, otherwise
23:14:15 <xtile> True, unfortunately, though often not in this month over there.