00:00:17 <cracauer> It's /dev/dsp.  But it only appears after you use it.
00:01:44 <phryk> cracauer: i assume it's going to be something like a symlink to /dev/dsp0.0 or some other more specific device file?
00:01:58 <cracauer> Sadly, no.
00:04:46 <phryk> Ah, I can just cat /dev/dsp – is this always the thing that's set as recording source?
00:05:22 <cracauer> Should be. Bitrate and friends are on sysctls.
00:06:00 <phryk> under dev.pcm?
00:07:42 <cracauer> I forgot.
00:08:48 <phryk> seems to be. and /dev/sndstat tells me what's what. thanks for the pointers. :)
00:13:44 <cracauer> yw
00:23:02 <phryk> s16le <- does the s in here stand for "signed"?
00:23:46 <phryk> i.e. all in all: "signed 16-bit integers in little endian"
00:24:04 <cracauer> yes
00:24:49 <phryk> good. also kinda related, but i can only ever record from one mic at a time, right?
00:25:28 <cracauer> No, mostly likely you have stereo in.
00:25:44 <cracauer> But probably only one mic preamp.
00:28:29 <phryk> haven't actually bought the hardware yet. planning on getting this thing: https://www.thomann.de/gb/monacor_mx_2io.htm
00:28:31 <VimDiesel> Title: IMG Stageline MX-2IO – Thomann UK
00:31:13 <cracauer> I don't know that brand, but I see nothing wrong with it.
00:31:37 <cracauer> I would start using jackd right away instead of tinkering with cat,
00:31:58 <phryk> i assume that since it's for stage stuff, two mics in parallel might work – just not sure if i'd actually get them as separate signals or, like, pre-mixed as one signal.
00:32:38 <cracauer> 2 channels in USB audio.
00:32:54 <cracauer> 1 device.
00:34:01 <phryk> cracauer: no thanks (re jack). this is just a hacky workaround because mic support in godot doesn't currently seem to work on freebsd. i need something quick and dirty that can be told over the network to make a recording and send it back for analysis.
00:35:01 <cracauer> Then you could use ffmpeg.
00:35:51 <phryk> huh? ffmpeg does audio recording?
00:36:49 <cracauer> Yeah. I just don't know offhand how much sound card control for OSS is turned on in the FreeBSD port.
00:38:44 <cracauer> Looks a little thin: https://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-all.html#oss
00:38:48 <VimDiesel> Title: ffmpeg Documentation
00:39:24 <cracauer> jackd is better. There is a program jack.record which reads from the daemon and writes proper wav files.
00:40:17 <phryk> that ffmpeg example wouldn't write a proper wav file? then what's the difference between it and just doing 'cat /dev/dsp > foo'?
00:41:13 <cracauer> No, ffmpeg would write wav or flac or whatever you want. But the OSS module seems to lack essential controls, for example word size.
00:42:27 <phryk> is that why i'm seeing "non-monotonous DTS" warnings?^^
00:43:05 <cracauer> Warning from which software?
00:44:12 <phryk> ffmpeg
00:45:27 <cracauer> Might be. Let's say you have 24 bit audio from the soundcard but ffmpeg seems to be hardcoded to s16le.
00:50:01 <phryk> the ffmpeg thing seems good enough for further prototyping. in the long run this feature will hopefully get fixed in godot and i can get rid of it in favor of something more integrated.
02:32:20 <uskerine> where is Xt.h in FreeBSD?
02:48:14 <rennj> hahah you doing old skool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Toolkit_Intrinsics
02:48:15 <VimDiesel> Title: X Toolkit Intrinsics - Wikipedia
02:48:52 <rennj> why openwindows isnt ported to 64bit..cause xt lib still 32bit...
02:49:18 <rennj> hmm xview
02:49:34 <rennj> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XView
02:49:35 <VimDiesel> Title: XView - Wikipedia
02:51:29 <rennj> Xt/Xaw
02:53:50 <rennj> https://shorturl.at/csV06
02:53:51 <VimDiesel> Title: The Sun Technology Papers - Google Books
09:58:05 <PredatorONormies> Guys.. am I imagining things, or did things get much slower after an (or more) updateS?
09:58:16 <PredatorONormies> Specifically for example editing a file in Vi trough ssh
09:58:23 <PredatorONormies> It seems to be much more laggier
09:58:29 <PredatorONormies> in other words - I experience packet losses..
09:58:45 <PredatorONormies> I wonder if it has something to do with a switch that I use.. but it worked better in the past I think
10:00:05 <PredatorONormies> even normal ssh tunneling or whatever it's called - seems to be laggy
10:00:25 <meka> If you can eliminate the switch and connect the machines with crossover, that would help narrow it down
10:00:37 <PredatorONormies> explain 'crossover'?
10:00:57 <PredatorONormies> Like.. the switch as well as one of the machines - were in cold storage for a while
10:01:08 <parv> I have not seen any lag in ssh connections in last 2-3 months with 13-STABLE & -CURRENT (c 202211 or early 202212)
10:01:13 <PredatorONormies> and they had surface moisture for like an hour or 2
10:01:29 <PredatorONormies> parv, that's around the time it was okay - 2-3 months
10:01:33 <PredatorONormies> ago
10:01:47 <PredatorONormies> so perhaps somehow the moisture damaged something and made things laggy?
10:02:19 <PredatorONormies> Because even without ssh - I do ping from my machine (that was in cold storage (I actually do mean cold), and I sometimes get packet losses
10:02:22 <parv> What OS version did you update to?
10:02:27 <PredatorONormies> sometimes 0%, sometimes 3%, sometimes up to 50%
10:02:32 <PredatorONormies> most recent?
10:02:38 <PredatorONormies> uname -a?
10:02:47 <parv> uname, sure
10:02:56 <PredatorONormies> FreeBSD FreeBSD1 13.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64
10:03:10 <parv> Thanks
10:03:25 <PredatorONormies> I mean I do have some stuff running.. could -that be the issue? But they shouldn't use any significant bandwidth
10:03:34 <PredatorONormies> unless someone is DDoSing me trough i2pd or Tor somehow
10:03:45 <PredatorONormies> can one check network bandwidth usage somehow?
10:05:32 <parv> iperf3?
10:05:39 <PredatorONormies> netstat?
10:05:40 <PredatorONormies> oh
10:06:05 <PredatorONormies> no iperf
10:06:11 <PredatorONormies> any built-in tool?
10:08:32 <parv> netstat will only tell you about the (network traffic) to/from a host. It cannot tell about an issue with other equipment
10:10:32 <PredatorONormies> I dislike how FreeBSD centralizes pkg mirror connections
10:10:37 <PredatorONormies> was it pkg.freebsd.org ?
10:10:37 <meka> ween the machines (no switch). Today probably all ethernet cards can recognize if the other end is in the switch or other machine so it's not needed, but I don't know how old are your machines
10:11:01 <PredatorONormies> oh
10:11:14 <PredatorONormies> laptop is idk.. probably >2012
10:11:21 <PredatorONormies> not THAT old
10:11:30 <PredatorONormies> all have 1 ethernet port
10:12:10 <meka> Well, give it a try
10:12:25 <meka> and if you "drill pkg.freebsd.org" you'll see it has GeoDNS
10:13:51 <PredatorONormies> I don't want shit done for me
10:13:54 <PredatorONormies> I want control
10:14:02 <PredatorONormies> on OpenBSD you have /etc/installurl
10:15:29 <PredatorONormies> But then again - FreeBSD's goal is to be somewhat user friendly, and be an desktop OS, right?
10:15:36 <parv> See FreeBSD Network Troubleshooting, c 2021, https://klarasystems.com/articles/freebsd-network-troubleshooting-understanding-network-performance/
10:15:37 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD Network Troubleshooting: Understanding Network Performance | Klara Inc
10:18:44 <PredatorONormies> I'll read it later, thanks.
10:23:57 <PredatorONormies> meka I got 4 computers that I want to have ethernet access
10:24:11 <PredatorONormies> so if it is the switch - I got no idea what to do, ,perhaps buy another one?
10:35:00 <meena> PredatorONormies: there was an old saying, a switch dies all at once, a router dies port by port. i wonder if that's still true in this age, where most switches are also routers
10:35:50 <PredatorONormies> Well.. the switch I have has lately been shittier and shittier
10:35:59 <PredatorONormies> wondering if it's at the end of it's life cycle lol
10:40:07 <meena> PredatorONormies: if it was any good to begin with, it would be able to tell you that it's dying. failing that, you get to find out all by yourself, once it does.
10:40:20 <PredatorONormies> oh, really
10:40:30 <PredatorONormies> good to know.
10:40:49 <PredatorONormies> The router that we have is the utmost shit
10:40:55 <PredatorONormies> cannot port-forward for my life
10:49:22 <meena> and, does it tell you any failure diagnostics, any where?
11:13:52 <Mozii> where is the feture of freebsd ?
11:26:15 <skered> I think over there ----->
11:50:48 <PredatorONormies> > <meena> and, does it tell you any failure diagnostics, any where? < by 'later' I meant not today
11:51:00 <PredatorONormies> lol skered
12:36:51 <V_PauAmma_V> Mozii, do you mean "future" or "features"?
13:41:43 <PredatorONormies> We shall never know
13:53:29 <plasma> a~
14:40:30 <sedzcat> I have a fully installed FreeBSD version 12.4 installed. Now I would like to rename the UEFI boot entry. How can I rename?
14:41:19 <angry_vincent> with efibootmgr
14:42:06 <sedzcat> I tried with efibootmgr but no sucess
14:44:03 <sedzcat> Can you provide a link to rename it or a efibootmgr commands?
14:45:53 <snail> From what I understood, you can't. You must delete the entry and recreate it
14:46:27 <snail> Or better, create a new entry then delete the old one once you are happy with it
14:46:56 <sedzcat> snail: send me the command :)
14:47:46 <angry_vincent> sedzcat: you can delete and create new one
14:48:03 <angry_vincent> sedzcat: man 8 efibootmgr have example
14:50:50 <angry_vincent> efibootmgr -a -c -l /boot/efi/EFI/freebsd/loader.efi -L FreeBSD-11 ( example )
14:54:58 <sedzcat> No /boot/efi
14:55:18 <angry_vincent> weird :)
15:04:40 <sedzcat> I mounted the EFI boot partition on /mnt
15:05:00 <sedzcat> Run your code with the path from /mnt
15:05:44 <sedzcat> Now it gives me efibootmgr: no such bootvar BootFFFFFFF4
15:06:41 <sedzcat> From the command efibootmgr - a -c -l /mnt/efi/boot/BOOTx64.efi
15:07:02 <sedzcat> -L FreeBSD
15:09:51 <sedzcat> Ok done it, I put the parameter -b 0000
15:09:57 <sedzcat> Thanks
15:10:16 <angry_vincent> it should appear as Boot0000 in menu
15:11:42 <sedzcat> Yes, it worked
15:26:52 <sedzcat> Only one thing here, It seems to appear again at the menu the deleted boot entry 0002 when I reboot
16:53:44 <ham5urg> Is it possible to install the same package multiple times with FreeBSD? I'm looking for a solution to have the same application mulitple times installed, each running in its own jail. So to have multiple networks (e.g. bridges) running inside the host connecting the jails with the outside.
16:54:41 <ham5urg> That way I could stay with the repository and its update mechanism.
16:55:57 <ham5urg> I want to go away from having virtual machines for each and every server I run.
16:57:10 <ham5urg> s/package/port
17:11:43 <CrtxReavr> Everything is possible.
17:12:01 <CrtxReavr> It's just a matter of how much bother it is to implement.
17:12:13 <CrtxReavr> And whether or not it's worthwhile.
18:20:04 <phryk> how do i find out what drm/linux version the current package of drm-kmod is based on?
18:24:16 <meena> ham5urg: is having one of those packages per jail not enough?
18:24:18 <rtprio> its not in the package name?
18:25:30 <phryk> rtprio: "drm-kmod-20220907_1" nope.
18:26:21 <rtprio> ham5urg: what package? the jails could share /usr/local so its only installed once
18:27:06 <phryk> anyhow, i found that i can see my new gpu isn't supported yet because no gpu-firmware-amd-kmod-navi23 package exists yet.
18:28:58 <rtprio> "having too new of a graphics card" is a problem ive never had.
18:29:39 <phryk> ah, that's wrong. if i'm interpreting this right, it's "gpu-firmware-amd-kmod-dimgrey-cavefish"
18:30:08 <jafarlihi> When I run `sade`, it reports vtbd0p3 as "freebsd-zfs", when I run `fstyp /dev/vtbd0p3` it says "filesystem not recognized", how come?
18:30:55 <phryk> rtprio: i appreciate having a luxury problem for once^^
18:37:39 <kyle__> I have a frankenstein xigmanas/freebsd box I need to swap over to fully real freebsd, but until then... I have a routing issue. I think.  It can get anywhere on the local network, but it can't seem to get out of the network.
18:39:40 <kyle__> https://bsd.to/PuQN
18:39:41 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/PuQN (Plain Text)
18:40:34 <kyle__> It's putting my defualt gateway on the wrong nic, and I'm a bit lost as how to change that.
18:42:08 <kyle__> sfxge0 is a 10G nic meant for NFS traffic, and only has an ip on the 192.168.10.0/24 network, not the 192.168.86.0/24 one.
18:42:31 <kyle__> (at least, I _think_ that's what the problem is)
18:47:14 <meena> kyle__: what's your rc.conf look like?
18:47:41 <kyle__> Do you care about all the cruft, or just the network lines?
18:48:50 <kyle__> ifconfig_re0="syncdhcp"
18:48:52 <kyle__> ifconfig_sfxge0="inet 192.168.10.57/1"
18:49:43 <meena> what, even, is /1 ?
18:50:10 * kyle__ facepalms
18:50:32 <kyle__> I hadn't even noticed that part.  Yeah.  That might cause some issue.
18:52:21 <debdrup> meena: it's VLSM :P
18:56:14 <meena> debdrup: very variable
18:56:53 <debdrup> meena: it's just a _very_ big subnet.
18:58:35 <kyle__> Imagine that.  After fixing that typo it's all working :P
18:58:41 <kyle__> Gotta wonder when I introduced that one.
19:00:08 <debdrup> It is a mystery.
19:02:56 <jimmiejaz> probably the same way I end up with :wq1 in some of my config files... fast and cubby fingers
19:21:06 <parv> ... or typing under the spell of sleep|alcohol
19:35:25 <meena> what default router would  /1 even set?
19:37:40 <meena> 128.0.0.1?
19:44:05 <jimmiejaz> well, the CIDR conversion table says that a /1 has 2,147,483,646 usable IPs. so all of them?
19:45:29 <isley> no that's only half of them
20:08:59 <LXGHTNXNG> jimmiejaz: that's an in4 /1. an in6 /1 is closer to 2^127.
20:09:12 <LXGHTNXNG> parv: or caffeine withdrawal
21:17:23 <nacelle> jimmiejaz: try ZZ instead of :wq!
21:17:40 <nacelle> (not :ZZ, just ZZ)
21:18:14 <jimmiejaz> I know, it's muscle memory :wq! is burned into my fingers
21:18:26 <parv> Still need 2 Shift presses
21:18:42 <nacelle> I have the same problem.  I'm trying to hack myself by listening to ZZ Top albums to make ZZ seem cool.
21:19:03 <zykotick9> ahh isn't the ! redundant in :wq!
21:19:35 <parv> Not if you have more than 1 file^Wbuffer open that had been modified
21:19:38 <jimmiejaz> it is, but again, it's a 20+year habit, going back to SLS Linux, can't help it
21:19:44 <parv> ... but not saved
21:19:55 <zykotick9> parv: ahhh thanks.
21:44:07 <LXGHTNXNG> parv: you can hold shift?
21:44:10 <LXGHTNXNG> jimmiejaz: SLS?
22:08:06 <meena> LXGHTNXNG: http://bash.org/?835030
22:08:07 <VimDiesel> Title: QDB: Quote #835030
22:08:43 <xtile> Cute quote.
22:10:54 <parv> meena, 🤣
22:15:16 <LXGHTNXNG> meena: ?
22:15:21 * meena has CAPSLOCK remapped to Escape, so she always presses Shift for shouting
22:16:39 <meena> LXGHTNXNG: you asked about holding shift, so this came to mind
22:20:03 <LXGHTNXNG> Oh.
22:41:31 <zykotick9> jimmiejaz: <OT> your nick just inspired me to put on "Jimmy Jazz" by The Clash (from London Calling)