00:02:33 the only power you can safe is by reducing weight of the always running on main CPU software realistically 00:02:40 "saVe" 00:03:16 the rest of devices do manage themselves quite well (own firmware / power saving mode) 00:04:30 the new power / efficiency cores in later arm-like laptop CPUs are going to be "helping" with that too 05:57:06 anyone know how to get qbittorrent to support torrent v2 on freebsd? it shows up in archlinux but not here 09:59:29 well folks, i finally have a desktop working yay 10:00:05 now if we could get a port of fenrir screenreader that would be awesome 11:53:43 Fudge, is that a GUI screenreader, or a VTY-based one? 12:16:29 Fudge: given that it's python, maybe try pipx for installing it 12:23:11 https://www.freshports.org/devel/py-pipx/ 12:23:12 Title: FreshPorts -- devel/py-pipx: Install and Run Python Applications in Isolated Environments 12:23:53 and then, as normal user, pipx ensurepath 12:24:27 and, pipx install fenrir 12:59:04 Ah, the latter, if I understand https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wiki/chrys87/fenrir/User.md correctly. 15:06:18 does anything still need hald_enable="YES" in FreeBSD 13.1? 15:06:26 I heard hald was phased out 15:34:53 wow.. is FreeBSD's built-in sshd broken? It ignores 'PasswordAuthentication no' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config completely and still prompts for passwords 15:42:09 also.. my 13.1 seems stuck on 'FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE-p3' and freebsd-update fetch seems to think 'No updates needed to update system to 13.1-RELEASE-p5.'. What happened to -p4 and -p5 updates? 15:54:12 pertho, that happens with fixes that only change userland or modules, not the kernel itself. Try "freebsd-version -kru". 15:55:40 V_PauAmma_V: that gives me 2 lines of -p3 and last line -p5 15:57:50 First two lines are installed kernel and running kernel. Last is userland. 15:58:10 ah cool so I'm up to date 15:58:36 Yes. (I agree that's confusing.) 15:58:50 I'm in the habit of using the -kru options every time. 15:58:58 still not sure why sshd -T outputs 'passwordauthentication no' and yet if I connect in with ssh and don't have my ssh key loaded, it prompts for password. 15:59:11 yeah -kru sounds like the way to go :) 16:05:05 pertho: can you log in, or is ssh just fooling possible atackers? 16:05:56 yeah I can log in with the password when it prompts 16:08:16 like, when it prompts for the ssh key passphrase, I just hit enter.. then it says: (user@host) Password for user@host: 16:08:40 it shouldn't be prompting for Password for user@host at all.. 16:09:12 pertho, do you have separate configuration files that the background sshd and the one in "sshd -T" may use? That could happen if you used -f in sshd_flags or set sshd_chroot (both in /etc/rc.conf or one of the other configuration files listed in rc.conf(5)). 16:11:18 V_PauAmma_V: no, just sshd_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf 16:12:22 ahh.. maybe I need to set KbdInteractiveAuthentication no as well? 16:12:35 I thought 'PasswordAuthentication no' was enough? 16:14:39 yeah setting KbdInteractiveAuthentication to no fixes it.. but.. that is odd.. 16:16:03 so 'PasswordAuthentication no' and 'KbdInteractiveAuthentication yes' means passwords still work :/ 16:16:37 pertho: and you restartd sshd to test this? 16:16:52 yes indeed 16:18:01 not sure PasswordAuthentication does what you think it does 16:18:12 since the default _is_ 'no' 16:18:48 on OpenBSD's sshd, PasswordAuthentication no and KbdInteractiveAuthentication yes still refuses all password logins 16:19:12 well we're not using openbsd are we 16:19:22 I know, I'm just comparing ssh option behaviour 16:19:24 What is UsePAM set to? 16:19:35 I've not got it set so whatever the default is 16:20:13 usepam yes 16:20:27 then of course it's going to take a password 16:20:34 to auth with pam, duh 16:20:53 ah ok 16:20:59 PAM doesn't count as password :-) 16:21:58 PAM can do many things and all of them are enabled by UsePAM. 16:23:20 cracauer: so a disabled user, with the right permissions and ssh keys... would still log in with usepam off, wouldn't it 16:23:37 you'd have to delete the account completely so ssh wouldn't recognize it 16:24:06 I would have to test. Right now I am getting confused about how ChallengeResponseAuthentication mixes into this. 16:24:28 Certainly not following the principle of least surprise. 16:25:28 ChallengeResponseAuthentication is a deprecated alias for KbdInteractiveAuthentication and is just mentioned in my man 16:25:49 It looks like KbdInteractiveAuthentication is what you really want for disabling password login. 16:25:58 yeah sounds like it 16:26:24 the auth options can be pretty confusing.. just glad I don't use Kerberos :D 16:26:50 That puts a plug onto anything that asks for a password interactively including PAM. 17:50:22 I wonder how hard that would be 17:50:54 I should ask mwlucas, or read his book on PAM 17:53:47 we have libfido2 now in base 19:57:51 pertho: OpenBSD, for whatever reason, chose to 19:58:02 ..not implement PAM. 19:59:26 They use something else that isn't hooked into sshd the same way PAM does on every other Unix-like. 19:59:53 s/does/is/ 20:02:43 I find PAM aggravating to configure and use.. 20:02:57 have to deal with it on Loonix at $work so... 20:04:37 OpenBSD provides login_ldap and login_radius if you need external auth methods 20:33:08 hi, having read this SO question https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44010846/why-ghostscript-is-a-required-dependency-for-cups I am wondering if it would be possible to manually invoke pstops with the PPD definition, then use pstoraster, then rastertospl (in my case I have a Samsung SPL printer) and then just output the command with print to the relevant printer port 20:33:09 Title: printing - Why ghostscript is a required dependency for cups? - Stack Overflow 20:42:59 Does "SPL" spell "Samsung printer language"? 20:44:36 right 20:44:47 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/74923850/is-it-possible-to-invoke-pstops-manually-from-command-line 20:44:48 Title: cups - Is it possible to invoke pstops manually from command line? - Stack Overflow 20:45:35 btw, is CUPS installed by default in FreeBSD? 20:48:19 It comes as dependency of other packages; is not part of base install 20:48:51 I do not recall having had it installed. Why could I have port 515 opened? 20:48:57 oh that is lpd 20:53:11 It is the last time I buy a printer without either PS or PCL support 20:59:24 hi. Is it possible to force laptop to charge battery? 21:00:02 I have cable connected to my laptop, apm says it charging, but it is not. It droped to 1% 21:00:32 to charge I have to remove cable, wait a while and connect it again 21:00:39 is it FreeBSD thing? 21:00:55 is it some kind of apm issue? 21:01:01 wikan: Sounds more like a bad battery or cable. 21:01:18 But you can boot a GNU/Linux stick and see if that matters. That'd rule out the OS as the cause. 21:01:51 well under Devuan charging worked always when cable was plugged 21:01:58 hrm 21:02:31 Depending on the laptop, you could have (ThinkPad for instance) SMAPI settings that mean "don't charge" and FreeBSD can't (yet) influence those, but that seems unlikely. 21:02:51 maybe I should turn apm off? 21:04:05 Dunno. But yeah, vary as many knobs as you can, one at a time, and see what changes. 21:05:06 i quess powerd != apm, right? 21:05:40 powerd is CPU frequency - don't think it does other things 21:07:29 disabled, waiting :) 21:08:36 doesn't apm gauge how much battery is left based on usage over time? So if you use more of a power draw in a short period, it drops the time/percentage faster? 21:17:45 ok,will try from bios 21:44:59 have people had good luck setting dev.hwpstate_intel.x.epp=100 on laptops (for each core) for power savings? 21:46:40 I saw other advice that said to set economy_cx_lowest="LOW" and economy_cpu_freq="LOW" in /etc/rc.conf.. as well.. not sure what the different is, but the hwpstate_intel driver seems more finely tuned 23:07:29 I've got a question for port maintainers: Are these easy-to-do bug reports with accompanying patch (that just bump the version number, update the distinfo) actually welcome? Or is it just a nuisance? 23:08:23 Certainly welcome reminders not to slack off :-) 23:53:07 Does ZFS respond well to device name changes? For example If have a virtual device originally with it's members as da6,da7,da8,da9. Then I decide to move the physical connections round so that it's members are now da3,da4,da5,da6 23:53:16 trying to get Fenrir screenreader working, it wants FCSA which is how it reads the console, is there an alternative. i cannot find a package 23:53:43 From what I understand, moving the device nodes around should not be a problem as ZFS is using IDs 23:59:58 lol nice nickname 'eniac'