01:09:41 mbnunes: the os will boot fine, i've swapped hard drives many times 04:32:42 When mounting a filesystem, a `struct mount` is passed to vfsops vfs_mount_t function. This struct contains `mnt_data` which is the private part of the filesystem. Each filesystem has a different structure for `mnt_data`. Now my question is, how does this get populated? It is directly casted to specific FS structure as soon as it is in vfs_mount_t, which is the first function that runs when FS is 04:32:44 mounted, so I'm not sure where this `mnt_data` is populated. Does mount utility do it? 05:39:30 I notice qbittorrent does not have bitorrent v2 available on freebsd 13.1 05:39:46 Is there any way to fix that? 06:00:12 I had it on archlinux b4 i switched 08:36:46 concrete_houses: compile it yourself 08:38:51 looking at Makefile, "LIBTORRENT2_DESC= Version 2.x (unstable, has memory issues)" 09:36:17 yuripv: still unfixed? ( according to 268074 ) 09:45:12 i'm running into an issue compiling cmake on a pi 09:45:48 /usr/ports/devel/cmake-core/work/cmake-3.24.3/Source/kwsys/kwsysPlatformTestsCXX.cxx:169:12: fatal error: 'ext/stdio_filebuf.h' file not found 09:52:20 nacelle, Are you compiling/building on a flash card, or a hard disk or SSD? 09:53:33 s/flash card/SD &/ 10:13:01 sd 10:14:01 microsd in this case, its a pi3b+ 11:12:24 that will be a lot of writing for a microsd 11:12:40 if you could might be with mounting one of your other systems sshfs or w/e 11:12:56 s/with/worth/ 11:24:04 zdb can pull proper info from the raw dev ada0 and ada3 however the pool doesn't show up in zpool status 11:24:21 Is there a way to tell zfs to rescan/try again? 11:26:33 er zpool-import... I guess 11:28:05 Nothing in /var/log/messages on why that didn't auto import/mount at start up... any where else to look? 11:29:31 Only thing intesting that I did recently was add a new single disk pool. 11:30:37 Did you get any messages around that time? 11:33:04 Not that I know of but I wasn't looking either. 11:33:39 Nothing interesting from 'fgrep -e add0 -e ada3 -e zfs -e jppool /var/log/messages' 11:33:49 jppool is the pool name. 11:34:30 ada0 rather. 11:47:34 good morning everyone 11:53:39 oh I think I know what happened. 11:54:00 Do tell 11:54:01 Booted to single user mode to copy data from UFS to the new pool. 11:54:24 I imported one pool (I have three total including the new one). 11:55:06 Did all the data copy... rebooted. I guess that state is saved and since the last state didn't include that pool (jppool) it wasn't imported. 11:58:20 Yeah, I can see that (cache would be missing the new pool) 11:58:30 s/would/might/ 11:59:06 The new pool was there and imported and mounted at start up. 11:59:16 It was one of the old ones that was missing post reboot. 11:59:26 But it was one I didn't need during single user mode. 11:59:46 https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Project%20and%20Community/FAQ.html#the-etc-zfs-zpool-cache-file 11:59:47 Title: FAQ — OpenZFS documentation 12:44:59 angry_vincent: TBH, I failed to find any leaks description anywhere 13:04:39 yuripv: heh 15:50:47 Hi 15:51:37 There are some prebuild flavours of freebsd like nomad etc. What one is most easy and has almost all things taken care of these days? user accounts, login, 15:51:40 etc 15:51:46 this is for desktop use ^ 15:52:07 and will steam run on freebsd? for gamming 16:45:11 what's hard about "user accounts" or "login" ? i don't know how you would "take care" of that otherwise 16:46:21 skered: does the pool show in `zpool import` ? 18:17:38 Gentlemen, gurus makers porters. Help me in this forum thread 18:17:39 https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/make-1-cannot-open-makefile.87545/ 18:17:40 Title: make[1]: cannot open Makefile. | The FreeBSD Forums 18:23:03 Sircle, unless you have several people using the same computer, you can use FreeBSD with your favorite desktop environment. The installer will guide you through creating the one actual-person user account you need in that case. (It will also let you make more than one on install, if desired.) Or you can use one of the desktop-in-a-box derivatives (NomadBSD if you're comfortable with always booting 18:23:09 out of a USB stick, GhostBSD, or the other whos... ah, MidnightBSD) if you're comfortable with their choice of desktop environment. 18:24:31 For Steam on FreeBSD, I think you need the Linuxulator as well. 19:39:34 if I am on my own kernel build FreeBSD atlas.barnabas.dk 13.1-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE-p5 #0 releng/13.1-n250148-fc952ac2212b-dirty: Sun Dec 11 17:00:28 CET 2022 root⊙abd:/usr/src/sys/amd64/compile/MYKERNEL amd64 19:40:11 and I run a FreeBSD-update fetch / install it detects I can upgrade to a clean p5 version built in the repos 19:40:16 after having done that 19:40:46 (20:40:35 ) $ uname -a 19:40:46 FreeBSD atlas.barnabas.dk 13.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64 19:40:58 seems to downgrade the kernel? 19:42:11 have you rebooted? 19:42:17 jep 19:43:12 > D2 in xmpp:en⊙c4c 19:43:12 > 2022-12-25 10:41 (GMT) 19:43:12 > FreeBSD is a great system, but as it turns out, the MIT license is holding back development. I have to admit that FreeBSD will die within 10-20 years 19:43:27 i... 19:46:04 just wondered if anyone else have seen this strange behaviour 19:52:24 BarnabasDK: userland is -p5, but as kernel didn't receive any update since -p3 it is left at that 19:53:44 ah 19:54:10 thanks for the explanation 19:58:46 ixmpp: well, I'm still going to enjoy the ride for the next 10-20 years 19:59:05 ixmpp: that's what poeple were saying 10-20 years ago. 🤷 20:01:30 remember the death predictions of IRC? 20:02:33 also, i have a hard time trying to fathom how mit would hold it back; 20:03:05 me too 20:04:39 MIT doesn't force you to contribute back. which is then why lots of people think nobody contributes. period. 20:06:24 as MelMalik said in the same room, i feel like GPL holds linux back more than any licensing issues would hold fBSD back, but look how well linux is doing 20:07:27 I'm late to the convo, but given license law is almost never enforced, I don't think licenses matter that much. 20:08:07 of course not, but the GPL does serve as a pretty strong deterrent in some situations 20:08:13 * xtile nods. 20:08:14 it does have some effect 20:08:25 True. 20:14:01 "Imminent death of the Internet predicted. News at 11." 20:38:25 god i hope so. computers were a mistake. sand was never supposed to think. 20:40:42 I'd rather not lose the medium for my social life and support network, if it's all the same to you. :-) 20:44:53 Agreed, with V_PauAmma_V 22:09:53 Copy-free licenses are more popular than they've ever been with strong copy-left licenses being in decline. 22:13:40 that's going to turn many people on the "weak" side of the protective and enforcing licenses.. which would be a net reduction of freedoms and a tighter grab for non-optional and unavoidable licensing and inability to have reduction of copyright and patents as a result influence and control 22:14:58 which is why those licenses (GNU and similar protective-enforcing) are favoured by commercial and corporate enterprise marketeers (big tech) 22:15:39 while computing is moving east to west coast for 50 years already 22:15:49 epony: you might wanna hold off with the zealotry in #FreeBSD 22:15:57 and into the public domain compatible direction 22:15:58 ok 22:17:22 beware the GNUpats ;-D 22:23:33 Today I am hobbying on a 6x drive zfs raidz2 array. bsdinstall sets up zfs using da0p3, da1p3, ... da5p3 types of device names. 22:23:47 I should have said this is with root on zfs. 22:24:14 But using device names is recommended against instead using descriptive labels. 22:24:47 Is there an easy way to convert such an array from one to the other? I would like to switch it to gpt/foo5 types of names. 22:26:59 rwp: I believe you'll need to ensure that kern.geom.label.disk_ident.enable or kern.geom.label.gptid.enable is set to 1, but you should be able to set one of them in /boot/loader.conf even after installing, because ZFS doesn't really care what the device names are. 22:27:26 The advice about device names isn't relevant for FreeBSD though, it only affects Linux. 22:28:11 The reasons why have to do with how Linux handles floppy drives, because it can cause devices will be arbitrarily renamed between reboots - something that won't happen on FreeBSD. 22:29:16 Just to add some system data to this: https://bsd.to/SobC/raw 22:29:18 Title: SobC 22:30:11 debdrup, I'll just start by saying the advice to use system labels comes from Michael Lucas & Allen Jude in their FreeBSD ZFS book. 22:30:58 But I have also myself chased down failed disks before when not having any clues as to which drive was which drive. 22:31:02 If you want custom labels, you'll need to do a custom partitioning using glabel(8), I believe. 22:31:03 It's always possible but more trouble than if you know which drive is where from the start. 22:31:48 I've not yet had a chance to test it, but with vdev properties being added, it should be possible to get SES information embedded into zpool status automatically. 22:32:23 That'll give you enclosure and bay number information, and I believe vdev properties can also contain serial numbers. 22:32:37 I think I know of "a" way to rethread these. I can remove a drive. I can delete all signatures from it. Then I can use it as a replace for another drive. 22:32:45 does the iwm(4) driver in FreeBSD have power saving support? 22:32:55 And walk through each of the drives one after the other. But it just seems more difficult than it needs to be to do it that way. 22:33:35 pertho, Sorry but I have no idea. And a quick look at the documentation does not say anything. So... No idea. :-( 22:33:50 rwp: the problem, as far as I know, with using glabel, is that unless you're using manual way, it needs to store information on the disk which needs to exist before the disk is used with zfs. 22:34:04 pertho: as in txpower? 22:34:22 debdrup: as in making the device use less power when networking is more... idle 22:34:45 I know the OpenBSD driver doesn't have it (says so in the CAVEATS section of the man page), so I was curious if it was implemented in FreeBSD. 22:35:15 pertho: it's been more than a decade since I took my CCIE Wireless certification, so apparently things have changed since then. 22:35:34 debdrup, It does seem that zfs zpool needs to know the provider name when joining the provider to the vdev. 22:36:07 I want to evaluate how well FreeBSD would conserve battery on laptops. Linux already does a great job at this but I don't know what it is. 22:36:24 hiii all 22:36:25 pertho: or are you talking about UAPSD? 22:37:00 debdrup: hmm yeah I think it might be UAPSD 22:37:25 pertho, Unfortunately WiFi is a soft spot for FreeBSD and it is not as good as it is with Linux. Sad. But things are getting better. 22:37:36 even waking up every 100-200 ms should be enough to get some decent power savings 22:37:41 pertho: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/iwm/if_iwm_constants.h#n86 is not a guarentee, but it's certainly better than a complete "Nope"? :P 22:37:42 Title: if_iwm_constants.h « iwm « dev « sys - src - FreeBSD source tree 22:38:12 #ifdef notyet :/ 22:38:27 that's for the queues part, as i read it 22:38:47 pertho, I have not tried this myself yet but reports are good so it is on my task list https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2022-01-2022-03/wifibox/ 22:38:48 Title: The FreeBSD Project 22:38:59 https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/sys/dev/iwm/if_iwm_constants.h?id=08e1076cf6ee0e644fbfb5c0278b3a305a024d64 certainly mentions power management 22:39:00 Title: src - FreeBSD source tree 22:39:44 hmm cool.. think I will give it a try on this other laptop I'm considering.. Cheers rwp and debdrup :) 22:41:34 wifibox.. that seems more for devices that are supported under Linux but not FreeBSD 22:41:39 but neat concept 22:42:21 It's a pretty cool concept. And would also be for devices with better support too. 22:47:32 pertho, I dug out my notes and I would like to mention https://jrgsystems.com/posts/2022-04-20-802.11ac-on-freebsd-with-wifibox/ and https://xyinn.org/md/freebsd/wifiboxhttps://xyinn.org/md/freebsd/wifibox 22:47:33 Title: JRG Systems - 802.11ac on FreeBSD with wifibox 22:48:47 rwp: does iwm(4) do 802.11ac or just b/g/n? 22:49:52 ahh the man page says 802.11ac.. kewl 23:13:47 pertho: might wanna read the rest of the mentions of 802.11..