00:00:12 <meena> https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2021-October/000893.html
00:00:13 <VimDiesel> Title: Deprecating smbfs(5) and removing it before FreeBSD 14
00:00:26 <meena> Macer: there. that's where i read it
00:01:42 <Macer> meena: ah ok. thanks.
00:02:04 <Macer> guess i can look at fuse but i vaguely remember it being an awkward integration than just mounting it as you would with mount.cifs in linux
00:02:41 <daemon> windows does have tools for mounting nfs which might be an option
00:03:09 <daemon> guess it depends on precisely what you want to get working
00:03:28 <Macer> i usually use smb across the board
00:04:11 <daemon> yeah it is kinda handy that way
00:04:21 <Macer> yah
00:04:37 <Macer> especially for AD mounting auth etc etc
00:05:02 <daemon> must admit what I do now days though is use a gentoo box as a central mountpoint for a few different things and share it out via samba (modern)
00:05:16 <daemon> which also works with sshfs and nfs
00:05:32 <Macer> ah so more like a proxy i guess?
00:05:38 <daemon> pretty much
00:05:55 <Macer> i tend to just connect to the fbsd fileserver (runnign samba) which is joined to an AD
00:05:57 <daemon> I also do the same thing for https/vps have a central server that deals with it and connects how it can to all the rest of the crap
00:06:06 <yuripv> guess it's time to port illumos smbfs client :D
00:06:22 <Macer> so for me it's all smb heh... in linux, windows, macos
00:06:56 <Macer> since it's one protocol to rule them all. but fbsd is the only one that doesn't have a mount.cifs or equivalent
00:07:17 <Macer> and it seems like smb1 mount_smbfs is on its way out heh
00:07:20 <yuripv> it actually does have mount.cifs, but that's the only version it supports
00:07:38 <daemon> I mean you could just use bhyve to emulate <whatever> mount it via smbfs and then nfs or sshfs back share it to the parent
00:07:42 <daemon> hacky but should work
00:08:35 <Macer> yah that's far too ugly.. just had a 1u sitting in my rack doing nothing and wanted to see if i could go ahead and use it like i would proxmox except running fbsd+jails
00:09:12 <Macer> unfortunately smb mounting is a bit of a dealbreaker although i'm sure there are fuse ways to do it maybe
00:09:39 <Macer> fuse can be fickle sometimes though
00:09:46 <daemon> maybe samba 4 comes with a replacement mount utility
00:09:59 <Macer> naw. mounting is usually on the OS side
00:10:10 <Macer> samba just serves it up
00:10:24 <Macer> afaik unless that has changed
00:25:44 <cracauer> Anybody here doing PXE boot and successfully switching the root filesystem to NFSv4?
00:26:22 <cracauer> It is offering a lot of resistance.
02:14:26 <sixpiece> how is freebsd doing?
02:15:50 <BraveheartBSD> Fine. Why?
02:16:51 <sixpiece> I have to write this report for school due in 12 hours, I chose FreeBSD to do it on, it's frustrating a bit lol
02:17:34 <sixpiece> there's a section on problem and opportunity so I wrote the company is not doing well but has the greatest potential to roar back type thing
02:17:49 <sixpiece> that's probably not accurate is it?
02:18:32 <BraveheartBSD> No, lol. Have a look at the companies that use FreeBSD servers
02:19:21 <sixpiece> I did it based on my interpretation of the financials
02:19:50 <mason> sixpiece: Look at your logs from when you talked to koobs about this, and you should find most of what you want.
02:20:22 <sixpiece> thanks
02:21:09 <sixpiece> cool sponsors recently
02:23:07 <sixpiece> I'm on the 2021 list for such a petty amount
02:28:50 <sixpiece> from 2020 to 2021 I see a decrease in the overall balance sheet that is significant
02:30:40 <sixpiece> 5.02 million total current assets, net loss of 529k, from 5.7 million the rest of the years are normal I think
02:31:52 <sixpiece> so it's just 1 bag year really
02:33:26 <sixpiece> is competition an issue?
02:33:38 <sixpiece> like what are the issues?
02:35:14 <sixpiece> https://www.scaledagileframework.com/ does this safe framework look like the company in any way?
02:35:15 <VimDiesel> Title: SAFe 5 for Lean Enterprises
02:50:13 <sixpiece> sorry
02:50:48 <sixpiece> thank you mason I copied the conversation I don't know if it's enough at least I removed something tonight that was not right
10:47:14 <parv> Is the dedup section still current at https://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSTuningGuide#Deduplication ?
10:47:15 <VimDiesel> Title: ZFSTuningGuide - FreeBSD Wiki
11:19:24 <shiroyasha> Any recommendation for a PCIe wireless network card that works nicely with FreeBSD 13 for wifi?
11:20:15 <shiroyasha> A quick internet search is unsatisfactory, and looking substrings from https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.1R/hardware/ in the pcpartpicker website also doesn't return anything (I'm almost certainly searching the wrong way).
11:20:16 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE Hardware Notes | The FreeBSD Project
11:22:37 <shiroyasha> (Only asking if anyone knows off the top of their head though; if not I'll keep searching anyway.)
11:31:17 <parv> Intel AX210
11:31:23 <V_PauAmma_V> I'd start by shortlisting cards with chipsets mentioned in https://wiki.freebsd.org/dev or the WiFi sections of recent status updates: https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2022-07-2022-09/#_more_wireless_updates, https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2022-04-2022-06/#_wireless_updates, https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2021-10-2021-12/#_intel_wireless_driver_support,
11:31:25 <VimDiesel> Title: dev - FreeBSD Wiki
11:31:28 <parv> or AX201
11:31:28 <V_PauAmma_V> https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2021-07-2021-09/#_intel_networking_on_freebsd, or https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2021-07-2021-09/#_intel_wireless_driver_support .
11:31:29 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report 3rd Quarter 2021 | The FreeBSD Project
11:33:50 <mictty> I am sorry, what's the context?
11:37:26 <Helper> is it easy to remove OSX and installed BSD?
11:38:15 <wildeboskat> From what?
11:38:29 <Helper> from a macbook pro
11:38:33 <wildeboskat> What kind?
11:38:43 <wildeboskat> M1, Intel with or without T2 chip?
11:38:50 <Helper> intel
11:39:04 <wildeboskat> Ok at least you have a chance it might work then :)
11:39:24 <wildeboskat> It depends very much on the exact model
11:39:35 <Helper> I try installing it but it says the hard drive is in use
11:39:41 <Helper> and cannot really format the harddrive.
11:40:14 <wildeboskat> It could be that you have the Intel+T2 model, it doesn't allow you to write to the SSD if you boot in Linux or BSD
11:40:47 <Helper> it says Processor 3.5 Ghz dual-Core Intel Core i
11:40:50 <Helper> 7
11:40:55 <shiroyasha> parv, V_PauAmma_V : Thanks! I'll take a look at those links.
11:41:01 <wildeboskat> Do you have the model number?
11:41:22 <mictty> it should be a good challenge
11:41:53 <wildeboskat> I see only one model mentioned in the wiki: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/Apple_MacBook
11:41:54 <VimDiesel> Title: Laptops/Apple_MacBook - FreeBSD Wiki
11:41:55 <Helper> it says Macbook pro 13 Inch 2017 four thunderbolt 3 ports.
11:42:00 <wildeboskat> Aha that helps a lot
11:42:04 <wildeboskat> 2017 should be pre-T2
11:42:25 <wildeboskat> But I very much doubt it is well supported by FreeBSD
11:43:00 <Helper> oh
11:43:16 <parv> Thunderbolt is not yet supported
11:43:27 <wildeboskat> Yes but the ports should work in USB mode
11:43:38 <Helper> I can boot freebsd
11:43:41 <Helper> from a USB
11:43:43 <wildeboskat> It would be more stuff like wifi, bluetooth, brightness etc that will be issues I think
11:43:57 <wildeboskat> I run FreeBSD on my primary desktop
11:44:09 <wildeboskat> But it's an intel NUC, pretty standard hardware and I don't even use WiFi or bluetooth
11:44:12 <Helper> Me two on my HP laptop.
11:44:15 <idwer> shiroyasha: are you looking for wireless hw suggestions for a desktop board?
11:45:05 <wildeboskat> Is your SSD showing up as /dev/nvd0?
11:45:13 <wildeboskat> or /dev/nvme0?
11:45:33 <wildeboskat> If not it might be trying to write to the USB it's booting from which won't be possible
11:46:03 <idwer> ax210 might not fully work, outside intel boards
11:46:09 <Helper> it boots from a USB device. The only thing I cannot do is remove the OS it self.
11:46:26 <wildeboskat> Hm strange on the older MBP's I've definitely done that with Linux
11:46:27 <Helper> so I can only have FreeBSD I can install Linux but I don't want that.
11:46:40 <idwer> and you'll get a setback anyway, with the shim code that comes with ax2*0 support
11:46:53 <wildeboskat> What device are you trying to write to?
11:47:15 <idwer> shiroyasha: ask bz@ to port the openbsd if_iwx driver anyway
11:47:54 <shiroyasha> idwer: Yea, something that lets me have wifi with FreeBSD 13.
11:48:36 <shiroyasha> For now it seems my best option is choose cards one by one, search what chipset they have, and compare with the links mentioned before.
11:49:37 <idwer> shiroyasha: this pcie adapter (not the wifi toy) would work, for physical hardware passthrough: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000369715885.html
11:52:09 <shiroyasha> parv mentioned similar, but those don't seem to be available in the website where I buy tech stuff from my country (I usually avoid Aliexpress, Amazon, etc, for tech stuff).
11:52:15 <idwer> shiroyasha: ax2*0 basically is using linux code for the driver (and 802.11 subsystem)
11:52:47 <shiroyasha> Worst case scenario 1, I go physically to a hardware store and ask specifically for this stuff.
11:53:17 <idwer> sure - the upside is that aliexpress has a more or less endless stock of cheap hardware
11:53:31 <shiroyasha> Worstest (?) case scenario 2, I use wired networking to a second router, and use that router to do the wifi stuff to the main router.
12:20:09 <mictty> on a macbook, i tried linux via uefi like 2 years ago. A driver for the trackpad was supported but it was not as smooth as it used to be
12:20:50 <mictty> keep in mind that when it comes to "support" it also has another problem within it
12:36:24 <Helper> I see.
13:28:23 <mkf> Hi. i'm trying to run civ on wine on frebsd. it works mostly, however the graphics performace is too poor.
13:30:36 <mkf> my gpu is intel hd 600, my cpu is core i5-6500
13:33:26 <mkf> s/600/530
13:34:41 <VVD> maybe ur gpu is too weak?
13:36:09 <mkf> wine reports often say it is faster than windows version. i was able to get it working on a 4000 HD, which is for ivy bridge.
13:36:18 <mkf> (on windows.)
16:08:57 <debdrup> I can't see why wine would be faster if you're being limited in terms of GPU.
16:41:43 <sjk> I'm like to share some data between two jails. It's audio and video files that I'd like to have access to in a Plex jail and in a Nextcloud jail. How should I go about that? I don't want two copies of the same data.
16:41:59 <sjk> Some zfs sorcery?
16:47:07 <cracauer> NFS
16:48:13 <debdrup> nullfs
16:51:03 <sjk> cracauer: what would the performance implications be?
16:51:23 <sjk> debdrup: would that get messy with uid/gids?
16:52:05 <debdrup> sjk: you'll need some way of keeping uids/gids in sync
16:52:12 <cracauer> I never tried NFS on localhost (effectively). I would expect some CPU overhead.
16:53:03 <debdrup> NIS can be used, or you can just keep the uids/gids in sync manually if you're not mixing many jails with nullfs mounts like I do.
16:55:21 <sjk> I believe I remember being able to mount nullfs and map uids and gids somehow? Will have to google a bit
16:55:34 <sjk> I mean, nextcloud is just www user, and plex is just, err, plex, or something
16:55:52 <debdrup> Yeah, it's not that hard :)
16:56:48 <sjk> Sounds like a fun project once (if) the kids are asleep
16:58:42 <cracauer> https://lwn.net/Articles/837566/
16:58:43 <VimDiesel> Title: ID mapping for mounted filesystems [LWN.net]
16:59:11 <cracauer> Should be easy to hack up for FreeBSD, no? :-)
17:05:26 <rtprio> sjk: so long as plex can read the files, it shouldn't care, right?
17:09:16 <debdrup> sjk: remember that https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/network-servers/#network-nis (the documentation for how to set up NIS on FreeBSD) is a thing
17:09:17 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 31. Network Servers | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
17:13:51 <rtprio> what? no don't use nis
17:21:46 <ngortheone> https://reviews.freebsd.org/rG521fbb722c33663cf00a83bca70ad7cb790687b3 this is amazing, I wanted single-mount file support for years! Best chrismas present
17:21:48 <VimDiesel> Title: rG521fbb722c33
17:24:21 <ngortheone> Big thanks to dfr !
18:11:14 <debdrup> rtprio: alternatively, do
18:11:51 <debdrup> ngortheone: huh.
18:12:02 <debdrup> Yeah, that'll remove my need for NIS. :P
18:28:47 <rtprio> just create the user and pick the same uid on the other system; unless you lik making things extremely complex for no reason
19:01:49 <ngortheone> single-file mount -- sorry, was too excited
21:31:14 <last1> when I configure FreeBSD upon install to randomize process id's, hide other user's processes, etc. Where do those settings get saved ?
21:31:26 <last1> I looked in /etc/rc.conf and /boot/loader.conf but didn't see them there
21:33:32 <idwer> likely  in sysctl.conf
21:44:47 <zykotick9> last1: <sidenote> I do see security.bsd.allow_destructive_dtrace=0 in my /boot/loader.conf which I believe is one of the security options during install.
21:45:46 <zykotick9> last1: <sidenote2> I also see, as idwer suggested, kern.randompid=1 in sysctl.conf
21:46:39 <debdrup> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/scripts/hardening does over the individually
21:46:40 <VimDiesel> Title: hardening « scripts « bsdinstall « usr.sbin - src - FreeBSD source tree
21:47:00 <debdrup> Some of them need to be set on boot, so they belong in /boot/loader.conf - but I believe the rest go in /etc/sysctl.conf
21:47:29 <debdrup> Oh, a few also go in rc.conf :)