08:58:01 You don't really need bacblocks with UFS or ZFS. 13:01:50 hi all 15:19:45 I'm noticing for some variety of lately that bash segfaults on shutdown. Is this a known thing? 15:25:07 does devd fire an event on wakeup? i'd like to restart openntpd when a VM walked 15:25:16 wakes up 15:26:11 There's /etc/rc.suspend and /etc/rc.wakeup iirc 15:26:31 Sorry, it's /etc/rc.resume 15:33:48 https://man.freebsd.org/rc.resume(8) isn't very descriptive on /etc/rc.resume itself 15:33:50 Title: rc.resume(8) 15:39:03 It's just an rc script, like any other. 15:39:40 Also yes, devd gets resume notifications from the kernel, see devd.conf(5) 15:39:51 ..that was what you asked for, after all. 15:40:08 oh, lol - i didn't read the deprecation notice - it's going away :/ 15:40:33 or maybe it's only one of them? seems inclear.. 15:40:36 unclear 16:03:05 debdrup: Where's the deprecation notice? 16:03:10 doesn't seem to be called 16:04:45 https://codeberg.org/FreeBSD/freebsd-src/src/branch/main/libexec/rc/rc.resume#L55 ← this isn't logged anywhere 16:04:47 Title: freebsd-src/rc.resume at main - freebsd-src - Codeberg.org 16:20:37 https://gist.github.com/ec8f515cb05321272e4fd78783a664e9 this isn't fireing 16:20:38 Title: gist:ec8f515cb05321272e4fd78783a664e9 · GitHub 16:31:52 https://gist.github.com/0eacd0e1052b15538f2f9645137fcb7c neither does this 16:31:53 Title: gist:0eacd0e1052b15538f2f9645137fcb7c · GitHub 16:34:58 and devd -d doesn't log anything happening 17:40:50 eh, echo "Usage: $0 [apm|acpi] [standby,suspend|1-4]" 18:25:49 meena: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=devd.conf&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+14.0-current&arch=default&format=html search for resume in the kern system 18:25:50 Title: devd.conf 18:26:04 although since it's in the kernel system, it might've just been moved 18:50:45 debdrup: I'm testing 13.1 right now, and this: https://gist.github.com/fa271e15e99681f779a1696048aeedb8 doesn't fire 18:50:46 Title: gist:fa271e15e99681f779a1696048aeedb8 · GitHub 18:52:51 doesn't fire with kern either 19:57:33 Does FreeBSD offer a digital signature for its release images somewhere? 20:00:00 Yes. For example on https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.3R/announce/ there is "PGP-signed checksums for the release images are also available at: https://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/12.3R/signatures/" 20:00:01 Title: FreeBSD 12.3-RELEASE Announcement | The FreeBSD Project 20:00:25 Oh, great. Thanks. 20:01:25 Maybe, Chapter 2 of the Handbook should also mention that. 21:07:02 Does a desktop system actually need a /var partition? 21:07:37 Coming from Linux, I'm used to partition layout like this: /boot, /, swap, /home. 21:10:07 But then, /home seems to be /usr/home in FreeBSD. 21:13:06 midnight: /home is a symbolic link to /usr/home 21:13:21 I see. 21:13:56 So, is there anyhting wrong with using the above partition scheme then, if I get the sizes right? 21:15:18 msiism: I usually just go with whatever the installer suggests 21:16:44 hi just curious I finally installed linux ubuntu on my laptop but was wondering how easy it would be to do that with freebsd? 21:16:56 meena: Yeah, but then that might not be ideal in every case. 21:17:01 cause it sounded complicated this was very simple 21:17:17 msiism: are you using ZFS or UFS? 21:17:22 I mean, I really like the idea of having /home on a separate partition. 21:17:32 I'll be uisng UFS because I don't have a lot of RAM. 21:17:35 paul2: depends on the hardware. 21:17:41 msiism: how much is not a lot? 21:17:48 2G 21:18:14 Also, I guess UFS is fine for me. 21:18:33 I've been using ext3/4 on Linux up until now. 21:18:47 msiism: I run VMs with that little RAM on ZFS; generally, ZFS has a threshold for when to start using ARC (the thing that eats lots of RAM) 21:19:16 I see. 21:19:29 I find the benefits of ZFS outweigh what it weighs on the RAM 21:19:51 what is ZFS ? 21:19:59 can you explain it? 21:20:11 I'm not exactly sure about those benefits, to be honest. But I guess I don't really need them. 21:20:12 I understand the different file systems 21:20:51 https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/zfs/#zfs-differences 21:20:52 Title: Chapter 21. The Z File System (ZFS) | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 21:20:55 boot environments are pretty cool… 21:21:20 * meena has used ZFS for so long, she's forgotten what normal filesystems are like 21:21:52 and then I get a VM dropped into my hands, and it's running on UFS, and I cry,,, 21:22:09 anyway, remember Solaris kids? I grew on Solaris 21:23:18 (And same as meena, I have 2GB VMs using ZFS. So much so than when I installed one using UFS, it felt unusual, despite being raised on SunOS4.) 21:24:45 Okay, I'm not using multiple disks, but maybe ZFS is worht a shot anyway. 21:25:44 I mean, this isn't going to be the last time I'll be installing FreeBSD on that computer, I guess. 21:26:00 Iterative refinement… 21:28:03 msiism: in the first couple of weeks of getting a computer, i re-installed Windows about 70 times 21:28:19 Well, I'm probably not gonna do it this many times. 21:28:42 I just need to get into how this actually works. 21:28:50 by the end, I knew XP key by heart 21:29:47 Seems like FreeBSd is actually a nice system that I should have started looking into much earlier. 21:30:20 https://suricrasia.online/iceberg/ FCKGW- 21:30:21 Title: The Cursed Computer Iceberg Meme 21:30:45 msiism: I only started looking into it (again) after jails got VNET… 21:31:27 so, around 2017 21:31:29 I only have a vague idea of what jails is. I'm generally a desktop user, though not necessarily using a GUI. 21:32:33 i use emacs (as vim) and browser and a terminal, and everything else happens on servers in jails 21:34:53 msiism: you should look at Mr. Jan Schaumann CS615, Week 4, Segment 2, OS Installation. Although the examples are related to NetBSD, the general concept should apply to FreeBSD; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRTDMgIpK68&t=1s 21:34:54 Title: CS615 System Administration, Week 04, Segment 2 - OS Installation - YouTube 21:35:35 Okay, I'll try that. I have run NetBSD for a bit on that same machine, a while back. 21:37:27 Thanks for the tips. I'll probably be back later.