00:27:32 <debdrup> yuripv: depending on the version of FreeBSD, it's either ~330 or ~74 bytes per record, iirc.
00:27:58 <debdrup> A good rule of thumb is 5GB memory per 1TB of used diskspace.
00:32:41 <zykotick9> debdrup: thanks.
00:34:09 <debdrup> It's perhaps also worth mentioning that the current implementation leaves a lot of performance on the table; Matt Ahrens did a back-of-napkin proposal for a reimplementation of dedup that could speed it up by ~1000x.
00:48:25 <zykotick9> debdrup: thanks (again).  ~1000x speed would be nice.
02:00:48 <skered> Inside a jail can you change INADDR_LOOPBACK?  I have a c/cpp program that's using it and since I can't (or don't want) have 127.0.0.1 it would be nice to rename that.
02:02:05 <skered> Unless if I'm wrong about 127.0.0.1 in a jail?  That won't conflict/overlap/share with the host?
02:23:08 <jmnbtsls1E> if you set vnet, you will have your own loopback interface and other interfaces, but then you will need to configure connectivity for the jail, if needed
03:23:25 <Molnija> is there demand paging, and is there a way to hack the demand paging? I seem to have a problem where it feels like an application needs to swap in for me to use it, but I'm not swapping (I actually don't have a drum mounted.)
03:24:00 <Molnija> (actually, don't answer the "is there a way to hack" part. I just want to understand if my speculations on why things are slow on a fast workstation are in any way founded.)
05:37:03 <debdrup> Molnija: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/vm-design/
05:37:04 <VimDiesel> Title: Design elements of the FreeBSD VM system | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
05:38:45 <debdrup> The funny thing, to me at least, is that John Dyson and David Greenman both worked at AT&T at the time.
05:56:38 <adilix> hi all
05:59:15 <debdrup> Oh, and also: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/arch-handbook/vm/
05:59:16 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 7. Virtual Memory System | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
06:57:13 <Fudge> hey all
06:58:27 <Fudge> after some advice, my new preloved server I just bought arived today. I currently use Debian on a dual xeon HP Z820 with some vms, media and stuff. I really want the host OS to be FreeBSD but the installation is a barrier.
06:59:01 <Fudge> I'm looking at this kind of headless guide but it's probably a bit beyond me as partioning slices on command line is not a strong point.
06:59:07 <Fudge> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/installing-freebsd-manually-no-installer.63201/
06:59:09 <VimDiesel> Title: Installing FreeBSD manually (no installer) | The FreeBSD Forums
07:03:24 <debdrup> Fudge: see the SCRIPTING section of bsdinstall(8).
07:03:58 <debdrup> Ie. https://man.freebsd.org/bsdinstall#SCRIPTING since I'm assuming you don't have access to a FreeBSD system since you're trying to install it.
07:03:59 <VimDiesel> Title: bsdinstall
07:41:16 <Fudge> debdrup:  thanks will erad now
07:43:03 <Fudge> read
07:45:40 <Fudge> autopart looks nice, my 9yo will be reading the screen for me hense probs too
08:33:55 <Fudge> maybe bootstrap will be easier
11:58:02 <nakibrayan> hi
11:58:13 <nakibrayan> how can i install sway in freebsd
11:58:17 <nakibrayan> i am new to bsd
11:59:07 <nakibrayan> in installed sway using `pkg install sway`
11:59:30 <nakibrayan> and when i try to run `sway` i get XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set
11:59:40 <nakibrayan> my user is in the video group
11:59:42 <V_PauAmma_V> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/wayland/ and more specifically https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/wayland/#wayland-sway
11:59:43 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 6. Wayland | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
12:00:07 <nakibrayan> thank you
12:00:48 <V_PauAmma_V> (If you followed the instructions there and still have a problem, let us know so we can fix/clarify it.)
12:01:21 <nakibrayan> ok
12:01:39 <V_PauAmma_V> Also, welcome to FreeBSD.
12:02:43 <nakibrayan> thank you
12:14:40 <nakibrayan> when i execute `doas seatd start` my shell dont come back and when i use `ctrl + c` it says that seatd is stoped
12:18:31 <nakibrayan> varaindemian: .
12:22:58 <parv> .oO( Hunh. From some of the screenshots, "sway" seemed to be a tiling WM💩; hell with that )
12:24:46 <varaindemian> nakibrayan: ?
12:25:25 <nakibrayan> you didn't understand my question ?
12:26:13 <nakibrayan> varaindemian: ok i am sorry i taged you insted of V_PauAmma_V
12:26:26 <varaindemian> ah k
12:26:33 <nakibrayan> V_PauAmma_V: when i execute `doas seatd start` my shell dont come back and when i use `ctrl + c` it says that seatd is stoped
12:26:36 <nakibrayan> varaindemian: :)
12:32:24 <nakibrayan> is X less secure then wayland
14:13:18 <nakibrayan> i followed the seteps in https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/wayland/#wayland-sway
14:13:19 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 6. Wayland | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
14:13:58 <nakibrayan> and when i start sway i get `ERROR: cannot create backend`
16:11:37 <MonsoonSecrecy> nakibrayan: you are probably missing a graphics driver but I am not sure
16:35:44 <nakibrayan> what should i use with freebsd (sudo or doas)
16:35:58 <nakibrayan> none of them is installed by default
16:47:27 <V_PauAmma_V> nakibrayan, matter of taste. (I use sudo because I'm used to it, but others prefer doas.) And yeah, you probably need to install drm-kmod: (as root) pkg install drm-kmod
16:49:35 <V_PauAmma_V> Then in /etc/rc.conf, you need to specify the appropriate driver for your GPU. (I need to AFK for a while, but someone else should be able to help you figure out which driver you need and how to load it on boot.)
16:49:53 <V_PauAmma_V> Oh, they left.
18:36:22 <mns> /34
18:37:41 <cpet>  /23
18:41:39 <rtprio> too many windows, guys
18:43:13 <cpet> if you have 34 windows open you gotta get out more
18:45:54 <mason> /44
18:57:30 <mns> rtprio: yes too many windows
19:13:16 <angry_vincent> dch: may i private msg?
20:10:27 <dch> angry_vincent sure
21:49:31 <duncan_bayne> Hello :) I've been building an Emacs dev environment with ezjail, and was wondering how people tend to manage their network interfaces. Most guides I've read suggest manually creating and removing them, but I was wondering if it might be reasonable to extend ezjail to manage those, too.
21:58:18 <msiism> Hey, section 1.3.5 of the Handbook says: "For localized versions replace the "en" with language prefix of choice. Be aware that some of the localised versions might be out of date…"
21:58:32 <satanist> duncan_bayne: there is /usr/share/examples/jails/jib, you can add this to jail_$jailname_exec_prestart and jail_$jailname_exec_poststop (requires a jail_$jailname_vnet_interface)
21:58:51 <msiism> Someone should decide on one spelling of "localized" in the whole book.
21:59:12 <satanist> duncan_bayne: see https://signal.eu.org/blog/2020/11/18/converting-a-freebsd-ezjail-configuration-to-vnet/ for details
22:01:11 <msiism> Well, it should probably be s/localised/localized/ because that's what the localization chapter uses throughout.
22:05:57 <duncan_bayne> satanist: Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for 🤘
22:17:50 <satanist> duncan_bayne: I have also a small patch for ezjail to allow adding an vnet interface on creation, still missing the prestart/poststop option