03:06:08 <rtprio> that's not a very good analogy
03:06:27 <cpet> he got the point I think
04:19:39 <cpet> who runs current ?
04:48:21 <rtprio> i do
04:49:09 <cpet> I was seeing things
04:50:28 <rtprio> what sort of things?
04:51:06 <cpet> though WITH_MOLLAC_PRODUCTION was listed twice
04:51:18 <cpet> in src.conf.3
04:54:47 <rtprio> in which file?
04:55:30 <cpet> man src.conf
04:55:43 <cpet> but like I said im seeing things
04:59:52 <rtprio> it could be your terminal, sometimes `less` scrolls weird
05:02:04 <cpet> its a dedicated machine with freebsd current on it I vnc to it to do things
08:16:46 <dch> cpet: I am running current and I only have that once.
08:17:14 <dch> but if you're accessing via vnc then sure you will have glitches and artefacts, that would be expected for any vnc connection imo
09:29:03 <Daniel> any idea when will rsync 3.2.5 will be updated on 13.1-release? it has a major bug we hit now, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2123815 - it seems 3.2.7 is already available: https://rsync.samba.org/
09:29:06 <VimDiesel> Title: 2123815 – rsync error: protocol incompatibility when using rsync-3.1.2-11.el7_9 [rhel-7.9.z]
09:44:45 <souji> Daniel: Looking on the freshport site, rsync 3.2.6 is currently available using the latest branch.
09:45:08 <Daniel> how do I add that? I use pkg
09:53:20 <parv> You may need to switch fom "quaterly" repository to "latest". It can be changed by editing the "url" field in "/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf"
09:56:18 <parv> ( "pkg info --full rsync | egrep '^Installed on'" says rsync 3.2.6 was installed on 20221113 here)
09:57:10 <Daniel> done it, lets see if its fine now
10:09:51 <parv> From the RedHat PR seems like updating to rsync 3.2.6 may not be enough. Daniel, if you would still have problems after the update to 3.2.6, consider filing a FreeBSD PR to request update to 3.2.7: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?component=Individual%20Port%28s%29&product=Ports%20%26%20Packages
10:09:52 <VimDiesel> Title: Log in to FreeBSD Bugzilla
10:10:11 <Daniel> will check
15:31:30 <sedzcat> How to export all pkg installed programs to a text file in order to install on another FreeBSD machine?
15:34:21 <dkeav> pkg prime-list > pkg_list.txt
15:34:39 <dkeav> pkg install -y `cat pkg_list.txt`
15:35:59 <dkeav> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/pkg-prime-list-install-packages-on-another-machine.74584/
15:36:00 <VimDiesel> Title: pkg prime-list install packages on another machine ? | The FreeBSD Forums
15:44:00 <debdrup> I've found that `pkg query -e '%a = 0' %o > pkg_list.txt` works better for me.
15:44:46 <debdrup> I _think_ they're the same, but I can never quite remember so it's better to be explicit.
15:56:24 <sedzcat> Nice, I have exported but pkg install -y ćat pkg_list.txt'not working
15:57:45 <dkeav> ` vs ', or depending on shell $()
15:58:00 <dkeav> or pipe through
16:06:13 <sedzcat> I used a pipe to cat pkg_list.txt but only print to screen the packages, no installation :(
16:10:10 <dkeav> sedzcat:  cat pkg_list.txt | xargs pkg install -y
16:20:18 <sedzcat> it worked, thanks!
16:25:26 <V_PauAmma_V> Or just xargs pkg install -y < pkg_list.txt
17:49:34 <cpet> dch, ;/
18:05:47 <dch> Daniel: if its a bug I will organised getting it backported. Should take a few days to turn up in quarterly.
18:14:30 <dch> sedzcat: pkg prime-origins
18:37:23 <dch> Daniel: you can try the patch in your PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=267921 if you like, and confirm if fix fixes your issue
18:37:25 <VimDiesel> Title: 267921 – rsync update to 3.2.7
18:51:46 <KungFuJesus> I wonder what fresh hell it might be to attempt to implement NFS over RDMA on FreeBSD
19:00:10 <dkeav> only one way to find out
19:04:04 <KungFuJesus> I do have devices capable of RoCE in hardware (I think), and I don't believe I need the switch to understand it if I'm not routing the traffic
19:04:23 <KungFuJesus> It just seems like only Mellanox is doing anything with RDMA or IB on FreeBSD
19:04:29 <KungFuJesus> and it's spartan
19:05:26 <debdrup> Yes, _please_.
19:05:39 <debdrup> Talk to Rick Macklem, he might have some pointers.
19:07:36 <KungFuJesus> My connectX-3 cards are dual mode so I could also fallback to IB if RoCE isn't an option but IB support is just really not there on basically anything. You kind of need IP.  And the IPoIB stack does not perform well and in my experience it dropped a lot of packets on the floor all the time
19:08:02 <KungFuJesus> NFS was skitzophrenic over it
19:36:03 <michaelsavage> hello
19:36:18 <michaelsavage> how do we get the product backlog of what everyone is working on?
19:36:42 <michaelsavage> thank you for yesterday I will try to make a little donation to the foundation for the help on that
19:36:56 <rtprio> i don't think that 'backlog' is published
19:37:17 <michaelsavage> does someone know what's going on?
19:37:52 <michaelsavage> I mean in terms of development
19:37:58 <michaelsavage> I appreciate your response sorry
19:38:35 <michaelsavage> I'm just trying to get some information for my school project that I decided to do on FreeBSD while I install Ruby
19:39:08 <michaelsavage> the 3 pillars of Scrum are basically Transparency, Adaptation, and Inspection
19:39:55 <michaelsavage> it's basically a project to go to a software company assess their practices on agility, devops and make recommendations
19:40:19 <rtprio> well, as you know freebsd is not a software company.
19:40:30 <michaelsavage> it is in fact
19:40:58 <michaelsavage> FreeBSD is the foundation
19:41:14 <rtprio> if you want to know how the project is run and organized, i believe that's available on the website
19:41:43 <michaelsavage> yes I need to know in terms of their software agility and devops practice
19:42:58 <rtprio> i would say that it's neither agile nor devops practice
19:43:50 <meka> michaelsavage: there's quarterly status report and foundation is sponsoring some of that work
19:44:26 <michaelsavage> https://freebsdfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/ProfitandLoss-1.pdf
19:44:32 <michaelsavage> they lose 500k?
19:44:54 <michaelsavage> from January 2021 to September 2021?
19:45:11 <meka> also there is "our work" in the menu of https://freebsdfoundation.org
19:45:13 <meka> check it out
19:45:14 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD Foundation
19:45:27 <michaelsavage> I want to know the kanban chart, the thing that lets me know what everyone is working on
19:45:45 <michaelsavage> no but I want to figure out what's going on right at this moment
19:47:15 <michaelsavage> I see 573k in salaries on that chart
19:47:32 <michaelsavage> that's got to be for some developers no?
19:48:42 <michaelsavage> rent is only 4000
19:49:19 <michaelsavage> how do we get the sprints ?
19:51:40 <cpet> wrong place to be talking about foundation profits
19:51:43 <michaelsavage> I want a sort of chart of what's going on in a sense, what's on the blackboard to be accomplished, who's working on what, where they stand on issues, etc..
19:52:00 <cpet> i want a girl in the red dress but we cant all have what we want
19:52:06 <michaelsavage> I was asking if I read it correctly
19:52:25 <Molnija> "only 4000"
19:52:31 <cpet> foundation has a email you can send them one
19:53:08 <michaelsavage> ok sounds good
19:53:34 <cpet> https://freebsdfoundation.org/about-us/contact-us/
19:53:40 <VimDiesel> Title: Contact Us | FreeBSD Foundation
19:53:41 <michaelsavage> Molnija 4000/9 months is like 450 a month that's like the cost of a room
19:54:00 <michaelsavage> sounds good thanks cpet
19:54:04 <cpet> michaelsavage, on a side note theres a reason i stopped donating
19:54:08 <cpet> :0
19:54:44 <michaelsavage> makes sense but you're a committer?
19:55:00 <cpet> nope
19:55:12 <michaelsavage> you're pretty generous nonetheless, I received your assistance here yesterday and appreciate it
19:55:31 <cpet> i dont remember what I did here yesterday :)
19:56:58 <michaelsavage> I couldn't get into the freebsd with root
19:57:03 <michaelsavage> and was on vmware
19:57:23 <cpet> different name cant keep up
19:57:49 <michaelsavage> alles gute
19:58:06 <michaelsavage> yes, my name came on as this cause I'm on my laptop in a restaurant
19:58:23 <michaelsavage> going to head out though cause the restaurant is wondering why I'm here so long
19:58:38 <cpet> better off doing this at the park
19:58:44 <michaelsavage> will be on later going to take a more hot look at the website
19:58:46 <cpet> even so people will bitch at you for loitering
19:58:53 <michaelsavage> not here I'm in Canada it's -1 Celsius
19:59:33 <michaelsavage> I am at school just took a break to go to a breakfast house get some eggs benedict going to go back to school plug in and get my book on software architecture, etc..
20:00:01 <michaelsavage> bonjour (as we say in Montreal)
20:00:09 <cpet> just order a coffee
20:00:21 <cpet> they cant bitch if you order something ;)
20:00:52 <michaelsavage> it's empty yes it's more like a breakfast will head out and get back to school
20:00:59 <cpet> if youre lucky youll get a gift card
20:01:19 <cpet> doesnt your school have a coffee food place
20:01:24 <cpet> my local USM does
20:01:27 <michaelsavage> yes they have everything there
20:01:42 <michaelsavage> they even have breakfast restaurants but I wanted something a little more fancy
20:01:47 <cpet> so why make yourself prone to that ?
20:01:48 <michaelsavage> eggs benedict
20:02:04 <michaelsavage> no worries they aren't stressing but going to shut down and head back
20:02:09 <cpet> so you ordered eggs and they still wonder why your there so long ?
20:02:24 <cpet> seems like a place ot not return in my book
20:02:37 <michaelsavage> no they aren't asking or anything
20:03:01 <michaelsavage> thank you cpet though they are cleaning up the restaurant though, etc..
20:03:17 <michaelsavage> mopping sweeping and I am the only one here but you're right good to be chill
20:04:07 <michaelsavage> going to stand up and head back to the school , will be on here later
20:04:33 <michaelsavage> thanks
20:48:49 <Molnija> I feel like I know a lot more canadians who eat eggs benedict than any other people
20:55:23 <dkeav> who has the time
20:56:29 <yourfate> can I somehow find out hwen I first installed this sysem?
20:56:31 <yourfate> system
21:01:09 <la_mettrie> by using default settings /var/log has those bz2 files which are compressed logs. you can decompress the earliest of them and see where timestamps begin
21:04:14 <yuripv> they tend to get deleted
21:06:50 <yuripv> yourfate: if you are using zfs, check `zpool history zroot` (or whatever your root pool is called)
21:07:48 <yourfate> `2020-04-11.14:08:23 zpool create -o altroot=/mnt -O compress=lz4 -O atime=off -m none -f zroot da0p3` would indicate I installed it in 2020 right
21:09:16 <yuripv> yes, that's the time your root pool was created
21:11:22 <yourfate> ok, makes sense, thy
21:39:18 <dch> meena: I have a cloudinit question, if your pythonic powers can help me
21:39:45 <dch> does userdata really accept `#!/bin/sh\n...` or is there secret bash script checks?
21:46:11 <rwp> dch, Is your question if "#!/bin/sh\n" works for cloud-init?  My experience with Amazon is that the #! is required or it thinks the file is data and not script.
21:47:01 <dch> rwp I am supplying `#!/bin/sh\n..stuff..` and its not running. I'm wondering if if actually wants /bin/bash instead
21:47:24 <dch> in AWS are you using cperciva's ec2 scripts? or a real cloudinit?
21:47:29 <rwp> I use #!/bin/sh and it works for me.
21:47:48 <rwp> I am unaware of cperciva's ec2 scripts.  I just do my own thing.
21:49:21 <rwp> Looking at my notes the cloud-init file gets a MIME type associated with it.  And without the #!/bin part the MIME type is deduced as data not program.
21:52:41 <dch> rwp, thanks! this may be a local enhancement
21:53:37 <rwp> After the install look in "find /var/lib/cloud/ -type f -ls" for user-data.txt.i and see what is in there.
21:54:25 <rwp> However that path I just quoted was for a Debian system I just looked into not FreeBSD.  But I assume similar.
21:57:47 <rwp> While debugging on my end previously I did this and found it useful.
21:57:48 <rwp> root@ip-172-31-19-125:~# sh -x /var/lib/cloud/instances/i-002ebfb98a4dff68f/user-data.txt
21:57:57 <dch> I definitely see the data in there, but it definitely hasn't run
21:58:10 <rwp> That traced through my script on the terminal and then I saw my errors in the script, fixed them, tried again.  Repeat.
22:02:09 <rwp> Honestly when I am developing and debugging I am creating a new node and discarding it many times before I have something acceptable to use.