00:34:53 helloo 00:35:03 does pipewire work in freebsd? 00:35:40 and if not, what solution can i use for wayland based (swaywm for example) desktop for audio? 00:35:56 (in linux i need pipewire for screensharing under wayland) 01:41:52 Fergorn: there is pipewire package, but I never tried it so I can say how good it is 01:45:31 meka is it in main repos? 02:20:12 there's only one repo, foghorn 02:20:18 Fergorn, it's available as a package: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/#pkgng-intro explains how to install packages. 02:20:20 Title: Chapter 4. Installing Applications: Packages and Ports | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 06:05:50 Hey all, when using freebsd-update to apply FreeBSD Errata Notice FreeBSD-EN-22:27.loader do I need to manually update the loader in the EFI partition? 08:11:08 kinda weird that it busywaits at the mountfrom prompt 09:54:11 Is there any solution to this? There is no way to run puppeteer in freebsd? this does not works even https://github.com/puppeteer/puppeteer/issues/5034#issuecomment-1236913615 09:54:13 Title: FreeBSD is not supported · Issue #5034 · puppeteer/puppeteer · GitHub 09:54:13 5034 – (tcsh) blocked write on named pipe sticks in uninterruptible sleep https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5034 14:07:59 Maybe not use tcsh? 14:10:18 tcsh delenda est 14:10:23 sadly it's standard equipment in freebsd 15:08:18 * V_PauAmma_V pets tcsh. Shhh, it's OK. I still like you. 15:10:22 same here, I like tcsh as well. 15:13:27 I am on freebsd and it does not supports puppeteer. What are my choices now? docker or something else? V_PauAmma_V 15:17:39 Sircle: I recommend Debian or Alpine linux for docker. 15:17:56 Alpine makes some tiny images 15:18:52 ya but I wanted to use freebsd for all purposes 15:19:38 wez 15:19:44 oh 15:20:23 freebsd is all about gaols, it doesn't like proper virtualisation 15:21:50 Sircle: you my try podman. It's still fresh! https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/podman-suite/ 15:21:51 Title: FreshPorts -- sysutils/podman-suite: Metaport of podman and buildah toolkit 15:34:11 docker runs on freebsd ? I thought it didn't ? 15:39:56 I also though that 15:39:59 thought* 15:42:38 seems like the docker package is there in FreeBSD 16:07:30 wez so I cannot have virtualbox inside freebsd? 16:07:59 kwiat ok 16:08:15 mns ok 16:08:29 I wonder why there is no support of puppeteer in freebsd? 16:08:36  https://github.com/puppeteer/puppeteer/issues/5034#issuecomment-1236913615 16:08:39 Title: FreeBSD is not supported · Issue #5034 · puppeteer/puppeteer · GitHub 16:08:39 5034 – (tcsh) blocked write on named pipe sticks in uninterruptible sleep https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5034 17:29:34 i run virtualbox with great success 17:29:41 even usb forwarding for smart cards 17:30:37 Sircle: that link answers your question, no? 17:31:12 does not resolves it though 17:31:24 yuripv 17:31:55 don't think there'a anything *FreeBSD* can do about it 17:32:48 yuripv what can be done then? 19:07:04 Sircle: convince the maintainer to support it; or fork the project and maintain it yourself. 19:07:24 Sircle: you have a ci pipeline that uses puppeteer? 19:08:29 rtprio what would the maintainer/ me have to do to support puppeteer in freebsd? deal with some binaries or soemthing? 19:08:40 rtprio no its a scrappign app 19:09:13 and we have written code already. Just thinking to shift to freebsd for more stability and better use of system resources that as compared to linux 19:09:30 Sircle: if you have to ask, you're probably not cut out for it. you would need to modify the code to work with freebsd ( assuming it can be done) and keep the code up to date and secure 19:09:52 you've probably spent more time horsing around than it would have taken to install linux so you can use your scraping app 19:10:22 rtprio its already being used on a linux machine. I am jus ttesting bsd on a vm as guest 19:12:20 rtprio any more suggestions? 19:12:56 i'm just wondering what are you scraping with this software 19:13:49 i ask because i think it's a component of https://github.com/garris/BackstopJS and it's one reason i had to spin up a linux vm for it 19:13:51 Title: GitHub - garris/BackstopJS: Catch CSS curve balls. 19:16:51 the other thing i guess you could do is hire someone to make the `chromium --headless` work in freebsd 19:17:35 if I plug out drive of one system that had freebsd installed and plug in on another hardware (different specs like ram, cpu etc), will it work? 19:17:45 rtprio I hired myself and just fixed it 19:18:14 yes, you should be able to move the drive around; the network might need to be adjusted 19:18:25 network? 19:18:34 oh the dhcp kind of thing? 19:19:07 so the drivers etc are inside freebsd. I don't need to reinstall or worry about crashing anything.? 19:19:10 if the network card is different, the config will need to be changed- that's the `ifconfig_em0="DHCP"` line 19:19:18 you don't need to reinstall 19:19:31 rtprio are you a linux user too? how much performance difference of same resource utilization have you observed as compared to fbsd/ 19:19:48 ok on netword 19:19:55 ok on network 19:20:35 i only run linux for when i need docker or ..headless chromium 19:20:54 i much prefer the resource utilization of freebsd 19:21:14 oh so you also use puppeteer? 19:21:42 rtprio how do you compaire efficiency of linux and freebsd in terms of resource utilization percentage efficiency? 19:21:52 i just said i use backstopjs, which uses puppeteer as a component 19:22:21 well, systemd strikes me as extremely inefficient, so that's a pretty big strike for linux 19:26:14 rtprio ok anything else? UI difference, daemons differences, browsers, video, nginx, web servers? 19:26:21 heavy load? 19:26:23 xorg? 19:26:34 I had a lot of bad times with linux xorg though 19:28:10 Sircle: too subjctive and very much depends on the workload 19:29:00 furthermore few people have the time to set up two identical systems, one linux and one freebsd to see how they diffrent. 19:30:12 so it becomes "use the right tool for the task" 19:30:47 ok 19:32:00 Or sometimes "use the tool that fits your hand" or "use the tool that suits your taste". 19:37:04 ya :) 19:37:32 I just wanted stability and efficiency. Freebsd has it but the items it can run is limitiing me. 19:41:04 the puppeteer guy seems kind of curmudgeony; 22:09:49 Good evening. Is there a way to find out what release or code branch a package/port is using? 22:10:35 pmnw: it's in the Makefile 22:10:39 or packagename 22:11:08 rwp: or `pkg info portname` 22:13:31 Hi rtprio! Whatever that was in response to has scrolled away for me. Can I get a clue? To what was that referring? 22:15:23 @rwp "Is there a way to find out what release or code branch a package/port is using?" (from @pmnw) 22:15:32 sorry, mis-tab 22:15:41 it was in response to pmnw 22:16:03 No worries! That's the danger of using a short nick. 22:16:31 or using a shitty keyboard 22:16:42 I have often wondered if it is possible to get the pkg info output for a package that is not yet installed though? 22:16:55 pkg search -f 22:17:13 it will return all matching results, so you may have to tweak the query a bit. But that should get you started 22:17:34 Thanks patmaddox! See it was possible for me to benefit from the conversation anyway. :-) 22:28:56 rtprio: Thank you, your information was helpful.