01:17:59 how can i troubleshoot cron? the command i put in does not seem to be executed, but in the cron log, it shows it runs the command, but the command is partially cut off in the log 01:23:39 CCLFL_Man: what does your configuration line look like? 01:26:23 CCFL_Man: your root might receive a mail with output (at least, if the exit code was not `0`—output on `stderr` might trigger that too. Includes environment etc. 01:26:47 35 19 * * * /usr/local/bin/wget -q -O /home/closet/tivocidcalllog/cidcall.log.`date '+%Y-%m-%d'` ftp://192.168.0.103/var/log/cidcall.log 01:27:44 the command works fine run from the shell 01:28:04 make a wrapper script, call the wrapper script instead of the complex command line 01:28:17 then you can throw in troubleshooting in the script, like touch a file or whatever 01:30:39 BTW: in the mail, the environment etc. are in the mail header (X-Cron-Env: entries) 01:31:08 nacelle: but it should run on its own though 01:31:17 it's the user cron 01:33:16 i have sendmail disabled 01:33:35 so the root account won't receive a mail 01:33:53 to wrap it is a good idea. is a `wget` stuck? (ttyout or the like?) (e.q. see top) 01:34:00 Well it is handy to install dma or something and just get the mail using MAILTO / MAILFROM variables in the crontab. That and a wrapper script. Those are the easy ways to troubleshoot. 01:35:02 can the wrapper script be a shebang and the command? 01:36:36 You bet. 01:59:15 CCFL_Man: you can't use `` inside a crontab 06:01:53 ey, this may be a weird one: does the i386 build of freebsd support EFI, or will I only be able to use it on a BIOS-based IA32 system? I don't have anything unusual, this is just for a virtualization use 06:02:06 ... is there still an i386 build of freebsd? 06:04:56 http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ 06:04:58 Title: Index of /pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ 06:06:07 I don't think it supports EFI, but I could be wrong. 06:08:10 I see a mention of "i386" at https://wiki.freebsd.org/UEFI -- cannot say anything else about it 06:08:11 Title: UEFI - FreeBSD Wiki 06:14:33 right on, I think I will just use BIOS for my IA32 testing 06:15:38 Actually, https://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2012/IntelEFIBoot 06:15:39 Title: SummerOfCode2012/IntelEFIBoot - FreeBSD Wiki 06:15:47 looks like it does? 06:17:11 now, do I do GPT/BIOS or do I use the classic MBR disklabel? heck, do I use a BSD disklabel on the whole disk, like some kind of maniac? 06:18:35 MBR 06:19:01 sensible, sensible. 06:21:00 y'know what, it's nothing too production-sensitive, I just want to see what'll happen. I'll try the BSD disklabel first 06:23:32 well, this is going well. I've tried to fire up the memstick image twice now, once as virtio disk and once as USB disk, and seabios isn't having it 06:28:50 Got CD? 06:29:04 or try PXE boot 06:32:24 I fired up the bootonly cd and managed, after some hackery, to get a shell on ttyu0 06:47:43 I'm having to do the installation manually, using fetch and tar 06:47:48 fun times, fun times 06:48:35 `sysrc sendmail_enable=NONE` to turn off sendmail, right? 06:51:49 oh, fancy, my terminal's getting hangups 06:58:53 hanging up your modem 06:59:12 S2=255 07:05:46 Plasmoduck: quite 07:08:41 is there anyone manage emails in both cli and graphical client? 07:08:59 mictty: ???? 07:09:35 how to do emailing list? I mean I how to organize and read them happily? 07:09:47 mutt/neomutt? 07:10:26 What mailserver are you using? On my system where I export my mailboxes, I use Dovecot for storage and Nightmare Mail, my own fork of qmail, for federation. Nightmare Mail is also readily compatible with running one's own mailing list service. 07:11:37 LXGHTNXNG: I tried mutt and will try self-hosting server but 07:11:46 When it comes to reading mail locally, I use Heirloom mailx, though I wouldn't call myself a fan; it has to index mail every time I open my maildir 07:12:06 whenever I open my email, it looks so messy I don't want to read email 07:12:18 in my largest maildir, that takes an exceptionally long time. 07:12:23 gmail, mutt, graphical cli whatever 07:12:27 mictty: use the mutt or neomutt client 07:12:34 it works in console and terminal 07:12:45 It's curses based 07:12:48 ... those are the same thing Plasmoduck 07:12:58 kinda 07:13:01 anyway 07:13:21 mictty: I tend to use Thunderbird if I have an IMAP server I can point it to. 07:13:24 mictty: you need to sort out your config file or inbox 07:13:56 I used thunderbird as well. the gmail syncing was good 07:14:09 but I need some good organization scheme 07:14:30 organization? 07:14:52 sorry, *Organizing 07:15:01 my bad sense of noun 07:15:10 :/ 07:15:31 mictty: I mean, what do you mean by an organizing/organization scheme? 07:15:38 do you mean about how it organizes into several directories? 07:15:55 Perhaps you would need set up filters to shove mail in different folders^Wlabels 07:17:13 parv: IMAP does have a concept of different folders, which on my system are represented as separate maildirs 07:17:33 as I use dovecot for storage 07:17:36 LXGHTNXNG, Well, mictty is talking about "gmail" 07:17:38 it is just a high level idea. I sometimes decide to keep on track of some mailing 07:17:52 then some month later forget or decide not to 07:18:06 then such stuff piles up 07:18:31 then disaster 07:18:45 Add a filter to find email of X days old & delete as you are not reading them anyway 07:18:46 right............... 07:18:55 parv: I've often read very old emails 07:19:01 so, that's not really a choice 07:19:08 one could separate by source domain, although that is spoofable? 07:20:18 parv: I agree. Sometimes I need to let them go. 07:20:32 LXGHTNXNG, Let me rephrase, "mictty: Add a filter to find email ..." 07:20:44 parv: I just need to give up for those emails 07:21:53 mictty, You could also reduce the lists that you are subscribed to 07:22:36 or divert them into a separate directory, as I do 07:22:41 parv: so one should design to have sort of expiration duration? 07:22:49 parv: like milk? 07:23:18 mictty, Certainly if one cannot keep up with the rate of incoming emails 07:24:31 rules 07:24:45 if ports@ move to Ports 07:25:08 LXGHTNXNG: I sometimes read old emails for like signed documents or receipt 07:25:50 mictty, Sort that in a "long term" or some such "folder" 07:25:53 read delete repeat 07:26:17 parv: periodic un-subscribing.. 07:28:26 1. expiration, 2. long-term box, 3. periodic un-subscribing 07:28:47 or create an email account specifically for ML's 07:29:42 ML? I thought of a scripting as some filter? 07:29:56 mailing lists 07:30:14 procmail can do some nice things 07:30:25 but these days do you really need to join X@ ML ? 07:31:08 are you talking about webbase mailing archive? 07:31:58 freebsd also has something like that if I have googled properly 07:32:52 https://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists/ 07:32:54 Title: Mailing Lists | The FreeBSD Project 07:32:54 those 07:45:19 LXGHTNXNG: diversity... I will try as well 07:46:52 well, sh-- 07:47:06 thank you all. fun to talk. 07:47:13 my installation did not succeed 07:47:37 it shouldn't have done, anyway; it was a simple setup with just an a partition on a BSD labeled whole disk 07:48:59 I just got a pair of hdds. I will try zfs 07:49:10 then I will store email 07:49:35 then I will organize them and read them happily 07:57:18 right. it was the wrong bootstraps. you want /boot/boot for a bsdlabel. 07:57:52 remember that if you ever have a BIOS system and you are using a bsd disklabel rather than the usual mbr disklabel. 08:13:27 any reason why you want to store emails rather than just view them online ? 08:17:42 cpet: somebody has to store them for you for you to be able to view them on the Web 08:18:05 I should install SDI on this VM... 08:20:18 more like a group of people 08:32:28 well, true 09:07:54 will /dev/ufs/