00:31:57 <grahamperrin> parv: the pages _around_ FreeBSD Journal are somewhat peculiar, in that the start is near the end (the foot).
00:32:20 <grahamperrin> Try <https://issue.freebsdfoundation.org/publication/?m=33057&l=1&p=1&view=issuelistBrowser&ver=html5>
00:32:21 <VimDiesel`> Title: FreeBSD Journal DE September/October 2022
03:56:03 <ravella> meka: I got it working, thanks for all of your help :)
04:01:04 <jmnbtslsQE> i thought that: if  out xmit bridge0 recv gre0  matches for a packet, then surely  via gre0  must match, right? i am seeing that out xmit bridge0 recv gre0 actually requires a separate rule
04:18:06 <r0ni> is there a simple way to install an older port in the ports tree?
04:38:52 <Guest706> hello how do I change the mirror to a faster oneÉ
04:39:13 <Guest706> I have a computer that can download 1gb per second
04:39:21 <Guest706> and its working at 100 kb per second
04:39:57 <Guest706> its really horrible is there anything I can do
04:44:04 <Guest706> its frustrating i always get bad luck and lose my time
04:44:13 <Guest706> lol
04:57:20 <Guest706> i just lost an hour was hoping to have it up and running in 15 minutes not a huge headache...
05:27:50 <Erhard> Guest706: https://www.freshports.org/ports-mgmt/fastest_sites
05:27:51 <VimDiesel`> Title: FreshPorts -- ports-mgmt/fastest_sites: Sort MASTER_SITE_* based upon TCP handshake times
05:28:38 <Erhard> Never tried it, mind you
05:29:00 <Erhard> If I am downloading an ISO I will use aria2c and list a few mirrors and make them all threaded.
05:29:11 <Erhard> I can saturate 5Gbit like that
05:31:32 <Erhard> Another tip: https://adufray.com/blog/2016/10/24/finding-the-fastest-freebsd-mirror
05:31:33 <VimDiesel`> Title: Finding the Fastest FreeBSD Mirror – adufray.com
05:31:54 <Erhard> https://gist.github.com/farrokhi/71151176a961af88efc30aea8a998ee9
05:31:56 <VimDiesel`> Title: A shell script to select the fastest freebsd-update mirror · GitHub
05:32:02 <Erhard> etc...
05:42:24 <Guest706> thank you Erhard
05:43:09 <Erhard> With a Gig connection familiarize yourself with aria2c because it can help you make use of the bandwidth, even with a single server (much to the admin's chagrin of course)
05:44:12 <Guest706> I have it installed at home it`s just teh school computers
05:44:30 <Erhard> Cool.
05:44:39 <Guest706> like right now I am using my computer through the cloud and ssh to be able to go on weechat
05:44:44 <Guest706> freebsd installed
05:45:07 <Guest706> but sort of fed up with these computers it`s just the problem is I am here at school and want to be able to do something
05:45:15 <Guest706> but cant a lot of the time...
05:45:44 <Guest706> they have some weird french canadian keyboard that I don`t know how to hit all the buttons correctly and so many user restrictions
05:46:06 <Erhard> You at McGill?
05:46:14 <Guest706> but they have virtual box and I thought freebsd was the fastest and easiest to install
05:46:18 <Guest706> how did you knowÉ
05:46:25 <Erhard> My son just graduated from there
05:46:31 <Guest706> oh cool in what
05:46:38 <Erhard> Software Engineering
05:46:44 <Guest706> congratulations
05:46:48 <Guest706> to your son
05:46:53 <Erhard> Yeah, he already has a job
05:46:53 <Guest706> i`m at uqam
05:47:02 <Erhard> Ah, close enough
05:47:06 <Guest706> sounds pretty awesome what kind of job I want to be able to get a job
05:47:08 <Erhard> Just walked by there a couple weeks ago
05:47:11 <Guest706> yes exactly one block
05:47:36 <Guest706> one metro station place des arts basically and the next station is mcgill
05:47:45 <Erhard> He is doing software engineeering for work. Already making total of 6 figures US.
05:47:57 <Guest706> unbelievable and I can`t even get a job
05:47:57 <Erhard> Not bad for a puk kid, lol
05:48:06 <Guest706> pretty impressive
05:48:10 <Erhard> What are you studying?
05:48:27 <Guest706> software engineering but I have my Bachelors of Engineering
05:48:33 <Erhard> Nice
05:48:37 <Guest706> I am on the Masters level
05:48:44 <Erhard> Cool
05:49:02 <Guest706> yes it`s not bad but I somehow missed the money tree I guess
05:49:15 <Guest706> I`m planning on doing a project on freebsd for my course
05:49:16 <Erhard> Well, if you are in school it's different
05:49:28 <Guest706> I graduated 12 years ago
05:49:43 <Erhard> For the BS?
05:49:47 <Erhard> And now doing an MS?
05:49:51 <Guest706> Bachelor of Engineering
05:50:01 <Erhard> Oh, I guess that is different
05:50:13 <Guest706> B.Eng. but not an engineer I was a junior engineer and now a candidate for the profession
05:50:23 <Erhard> His is a BS. Software Engineering at McGill is not in the faculty of engineering.
05:50:31 <Guest706> we`re apparently not allowed to write that
05:50:45 <Erhard> LOL. Yeah that is regulated aparently
05:50:49 <Guest706> yes not the same degree
05:51:25 <Guest706> I think mine was harder and more thorough but he probably has a higher gpa than I had of 2.37 and almost 2 degrees worth of credits
05:51:35 <Guest706> I could literally get a Bachelor of Arts as well<
05:51:47 <Erhard> Heh. HIs wasn't amazing, but I think it was over 3.
05:52:18 <Guest706> I had personal problems social and it wasn`t the right school for me
05:52:27 <Erhard> Yeah, stuff happenes
05:52:42 <Guest706> I needed a sheltered environment they didn`t give me that
05:53:15 <Guest706> I wanted to go to mit but I wasn`t going to get a scholarship there so my family was like we can`t afford it
05:53:26 <Guest706> and no need it`s better to get the degree in Canada
05:53:31 <Erhard> Yeah, expensive.
05:53:47 <Erhard> Especially if you live there. MCGill is cheap if you live there. We had to pay wuite a bit
05:53:50 <Guest706> yes so I got through in the end
05:53:55 <Erhard> around 40k US a year
05:54:00 <Erhard> INternational
05:54:01 <Guest706> ouch
05:54:17 <Erhard> Yeah about the samne as a good school here.
05:54:25 <Erhard> Not ivy league, but a good school
05:54:42 <Erhard> But it's more the person anyway.
05:54:45 <Guest706> yes my parents put a trust fund for me I exhausted it in 4 years then I had my grandparents die and inherited money and my aunt grandfather`s sister
05:54:56 <Erhard> And who you know.
05:54:57 <Guest706> and then I got major money from the government
05:55:17 <Erhard> Glad you made it happen without massive debt.
05:55:18 <Guest706> and then my parents helped me a little bit and the costs are generally low
05:55:37 <Guest706> well I had debt but I used my grandfather`s inheritance to pay for it
05:55:41 <Erhard> My parents paid for my school so I wanted to pay for my kid's
05:55:45 <Guest706> like 80000$
05:55:55 <Erhard> Cool
05:56:46 <Guest706> and the government paid me $700 a month for my rent but it was like 1100 and tutors extreme amounts, other costs, school itself, etc..
05:56:58 <Guest706> like a little bit for food $300 a month , etc..
05:57:11 <Erhard> Budgeting is a good life skill
05:57:35 <Guest706> so between that, a student loan, a tiny bit of side income, and parents support I was more or less covered
05:57:56 <Guest706> knick knack side income in different ways...
05:58:16 <Erhard> Cool.
05:59:18 <Guest706> and I didn`t do anything that was too extremely lavish in any way I just went to school, did some sports like tennis, skiing would be expensive but I had it very inexpensive with no hotels
05:59:46 <Guest706> rollerblading , I worked at a gym so that was free with swimming, etc..
06:00:49 <Guest706> they gave me a rate that it would cost me maybe $500 a year... yoga teacher training was an expense , car was not expensive
06:01:47 <Guest706> they robbed me at one place for $2000 another place didn`t really rob me at all so I paid $1000+ but I got my money`s worth
06:02:00 <Erhard> heh
06:02:23 <Guest706> then never found a job in the field really
06:02:59 <Guest706> didn`t really make any money worked hard though
06:03:44 <Guest706> cause like I made some money from Amazon but then they stole it all from me, giving me credit card debt and taxes owing so that shouldn`t count as making anything...
06:04:25 <Guest706> so then I got a good scholarship to go back to school
06:05:07 <Guest706> it somehow doesn`t feel like it`s worth it but I think it is I`m probably getting more exerting myself like crazy here then I would sitting at home playing on freebsd I suppose
06:05:47 <Erhard> Sweet. I gotta hit the hay. Good luck on everything. Have a good one.
06:05:57 <Guest706> thanks good night
07:06:58 <Guest706> e
11:46:30 <Ltning> How can I get unabridged thread names from procstat -t ?
12:38:18 <f451> hi, can recordsize property be set on a zvol? would it be usable to the guest OS
12:48:27 <V_PauAmma_V> Ltning, have you tried libxo?
12:48:50 <V_PauAmma_V> (There's no other way obvious to me.)
13:15:40 <f451> does zfs compression still work if the zfs was set to encrypted at initial setup?
13:18:29 <nimaje> afaik zfs should first do compression and then encryption so it should work
13:19:27 <f451> ok so it's done on a block-by-block basis and not at the outset
13:20:48 <f451> i guess that on install, if encryption is selected, then what happens is the flag is set but it doesn't happen till it's written to?
13:21:09 <f451> (just trying to wrap my head around it)
13:25:29 <meka> f451: I have ZFS with GELI encryption and ZFS compression. That way GELI is "under" ZFS. With ZFS native encryption, I'm almost sure it's compression first, encryption later (I didn't read the code, so don't trust me on this)
13:49:34 <debdrup> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=460ed6106cf0 neat!
13:49:35 <VimDiesel`> Title: src - FreeBSD source tree
13:51:02 <f451> meka: tyvm
13:51:07 <debdrup> f451: zvols use volblocksize iirc
13:51:19 <debdrup> see zfsprops(7)
13:53:42 <f451> yeah that is neat ;)
13:54:52 <f451> what the context is, is bhyve
13:55:30 <f451> the compression context is the host zvol
13:55:43 <f451> the encryption one, the guest
13:56:29 <debdrup> zfs in-line compression happens at a record level, not at a block level
13:56:46 <debdrup> and it'll only happen if it can compress by at least 12.5% (at least with lz4, which is the default)
13:57:05 <f451> was going to go with zstd
13:57:05 <debdrup> plus it needs to save at least one sector size of diskspace, otherwise it also doesn't help
13:57:55 <debdrup> the lz4 early abort doesn't exist for zstd (not in a release, yet - but it might be in head; i watched a presentation about it being developed the other day)
13:58:10 <f451> aha
13:58:22 <debdrup> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5JeyCYV5nE
13:58:23 <VimDiesel`> Title: Refining OpenZFS Compression by Rich Ercolani - YouTube
13:58:45 <f451> compression in my context is the lesser value
13:59:23 <debdrup> also, you should be aware of https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OfRSXibZ2nIE9DGK6swwBZXgXwdCPKgp4SbPZwTexCg/view
13:59:24 <f451> the guest will be a nextcloud in a datacentre so encryption is important
13:59:25 <VimDiesel`> Title: OpenZFS open encryption bugs (public RO) - Google Sheets
13:59:42 <f451> oog
13:59:55 <debdrup> remember that encryption (both GELI and ZFS in-line encryption) is only useful at-rest, so typically when the server is powered off
14:00:16 <f451> not the guest only?
14:01:19 <debdrup> well, that depends i guess
14:01:24 <f451> what im trying to guard against is the host getting broken into and someone accessing the guest vm data
14:02:20 <debdrup> if you've got a bhyve guest and encryption is used inside the hypervisor guest, it'll theoretically be at-rest (although depending on how your key invalidation works, a sufficiently motivated attacker could do host persistence and still access it
14:02:49 <debdrup> GELI does proper key invalidation if memory serves
14:02:59 <f451> was about to say
14:04:07 <f451> also within the nextcloud itself, there is an addon available that encrypts the live data and ties that key to auth credentials i think
14:06:50 <f451> hmm
14:06:53 <debdrup> i'm not sure i'd put my trust in that
14:07:00 <f451> so geli is the way to go it seems
14:07:36 <f451> no - it doesn't encrypt the filemames funnily enough
14:11:07 <f451> what the threat model is, is protection from gaining of unauthorised access
14:13:38 <debdrup> GELI works at a different level; once something is encrypted with GELI and the key hasn't been used to unlock it, it just looks like a block of random data
14:13:44 <debdrup> GBDE more so
14:14:07 <f451> one is newer than the other isn't it
14:14:49 <debdrup> GELI is newer
14:15:19 <f451> big scary notice for gbde on the man page!
14:17:06 <f451> i think gbde prob more suitable for a shell account where eg you have a dir with all yr credentians in that you want to keep secret
14:17:47 <f451> s/credentians/credentials/g
14:19:29 <f451> ok - think i know how to proceed
14:19:36 <f451> debdrup: tyvm
14:20:54 <debdrup> gbdes real advantage is that it's made for an adverserial environment where, as long as you can access the system before you're subject to rubberhose cryptoanalysis, you can use `gbde nuke` to provably get rid of it
14:21:10 <debdrup> err, `gbde destroy`
14:21:57 <debdrup> https://papers.freebsd.org/2003/phk-gbde-paper/ and https://papers.freebsd.org/2003/phk-gbde-slides/ are worth re ading
14:21:58 <VimDiesel`> Title: GBDE - GEOM Based Disk Encryption :: FreeBSD Presentations and Papers
14:22:12 <f451> thanks
14:23:05 <f451> the environment this is for isn't adversarial like that
14:23:25 <debdrup> for what it's worth, i used gbde for my buttcoin wallet back when that waste of electricity was possible to mine on a regular cpu, and then proceeded to forget the keyphrase, and i haven't been able to recover the key, even after talking with phk :P
14:23:58 <f451> it's to protect against casual cracking/what if php/nginx/mysql/postgres breaks
14:24:17 <f451> ahhh
14:24:22 <f451> sorry to hear that
14:24:36 <debdrup> eh, it's whatever
14:25:03 <f451> you might be a theoretical millionaire
14:26:04 <f451> xkcdpasswd is your friend
14:26:04 <debdrup> meh
14:27:01 <debdrup> the password had some 280 bits of entropy, so there's almost no way of remembering it no matter what
14:29:29 <Ltning> V_PauAmma_V: Yeah, and just like with various other tools, output is truncated before it's even handed to libxo.
14:29:42 <Ltning> (yes, it's pretty stupid, but apparently much harder to fix than one might think)
14:32:03 <f451> debdrup: xkcdpass -d . -C random -n 10
14:32:49 <f451> Charsetsize: 84
14:32:51 <f451> ShannonEntropyBits: 400.36
14:33:34 <debdrup> and how's that supposed to help me if i forget the password?
14:36:06 <f451> that's a horse already bolted context
14:36:14 <f451> i mean in future ;)
14:36:46 <debdrup> i'm not interested in destroying the world by wasting electricity like that
14:37:04 <f451> yup
14:37:12 <f451> ive never been into it
14:37:39 <f451> might be ameliorated using solar in a sunny climate
14:38:12 <f451> make a fortune in the desert ;)
14:40:20 <f451> the reason i posted the xkcd thing was that 10 words with dots and capitals have 400 bits of entropy and it surprised me, just 10 words
14:41:12 <tao> it's supposed to be random unrelated words though. and good luck remembering 10 unrelated random words easily
14:41:23 <tao> 4 or 5 words is more likely
14:43:30 <f451> i think if one can devise a silly story (the sillier and therefore the more rememberable) that links all the words in the order they should be in, then one would be able to remember them easier than expected
14:43:55 <f451> i mean actors memorise whole screeds of text
14:45:31 <tao> yes but the words are not meant to be linked to each other in anyway as that reduces the keyspace. if you do a story where a horse goes into a stable and make the words horsewalksstable an algorithm could work that out far more quickly than the horsebatterystaple
14:46:17 <shiroyasha> People memorize Pi to I-don't-know-how-many decimals.
14:46:20 <tao> it'll probably put you off ever changing the passphrase too
14:46:31 <shiroyasha> 10 completely random words sounds doable.
14:47:04 <f451> the linking doesn't have to be logical in the understood sense. it just needs to be internally logical, in your mind. you get to choose the logic
14:47:31 <tao> i do have a 64 character wifi password, because that mitigates brute force, that's made out of about 7 words and I can remember that to be honest. so maybe it's not so bad
14:47:34 <debdrup> Memorizing pi means you're doing it regularly. I forgot the wallet passphrase because I didn't use it for several years.
14:48:15 <debdrup> You're applying technical solutions to a problem that isn't technical in nature.
16:19:57 <jafa> hi guys, does bsd have a concept of a tmp file (discard on close) that will use ram as much as possible and only write to disk if low on ram?
16:20:37 <gman999> try `man 5 tmpfs` maybe?
16:26:47 <jafa> tmpfs looks plausible - thanks
16:29:57 <lisu> hi, anyone can help me with zpool import?
16:30:13 <lisu> zpool import Segmentation fault (core dumped)
16:30:37 <lisu> just zpool import (without name) and I got seg fault
16:31:03 <lisu> anybody?
16:45:11 <tsoome> lisu are you sure your kernel and userland bits are from the same build?
16:56:44 <nimaje> jafa, (gman999): note tmpfs will at most use swap, depending on what you want mmap, memfd_open and shm_open are options
16:57:24 <gman999> yes, tmpfs hungry
17:22:51 <lisu> tsoome: init6 does the job, TY.
17:23:30 <tsoome> :)
17:23:39 <lisu> another question: can I mount btrfs under fbsd?
17:25:10 <lisu> I just intalled fresh fbsd on baremetal and I need to transfer files from zfs to btrfs disk.
17:40:38 <ravella> I finally figured out how to have a bhyve linux guest with audio on host, now I can stream widevine drm content without linuxulator :o
17:45:58 <debdrup> jafa: check out mdmfs(8)
20:03:33 <crest> lisu: unless you already have lots of data locked in a btrfs there are no good reasons to mount btrfs into freebsd
20:04:37 <crest> but there is the fusefs-lkl package that may include what you're looking for
20:04:58 <crest> it basically runs a stripped down linux kernel in userspace as fuse server
20:05:12 <crest> but it's based on a fairly old kernel
20:05:26 <crest> https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/fusefs-lkl
20:05:27 <VimDiesel`> Title: FreshPorts -- sysutils/fusefs-lkl: Full-featured Linux BTRFS, Ext4, XFS as a FUSE module
20:06:43 <lisu> yep, I readed this. thx. So ... freebsd is not so universal.
20:07:50 <lisu> for now I got installed openzfs on manjaro, works well, this will do the job.
20:08:42 <debdrup> linux doesn't support ufs, so it's not universal either - and ufs is both actively developed and dates back to 1980
20:08:59 <lisu> true,
20:09:16 <debdrup> nfs is the filesystem du jour for transferring between unix-likes, and linux doesn't support that properly either (no NFSv4 ACL support, and nothing is planned)
20:10:10 <lisu> beside, as I got freebsd on ma laptop, Im will try to use this for my daily.
20:10:28 <debdrup> that's a good start :)
20:12:23 <lisu> freebsd is very well documented, but for example, I want to manage few wifi networks via gui... and networkmgr is compiling for 20 minutes...
20:13:57 <ravella> the ghostbsd wifi manager? I think it is just a python script, what could it be compiling?
20:14:41 <lisu> fbsd is similar to linux i've used to, but have own way to do simple things realy strange
20:15:01 <lisu> I dont know... just folowing: https://www.freshports.org/net-mgmt/networkmgr
20:15:02 <VimDiesel`> Title: FreshPorts -- net-mgmt/networkmgr: FreeBSD/GhostBSD network connection manager
20:15:46 <lisu> im installing from ports
20:16:27 <lisu> now python 3.8 is building
20:16:46 <ravella> ah, yeah Python sounds like a likely culprit
20:17:17 <ravella> ports is kind of overkill for a newish user, but could be a good learning experience too
20:17:54 <lisu> ports is nothing fancy, just another way to install
20:18:08 <ravella> one good-kept secret is `bsdconfig networking` (surprised I didn't see it mentioned in the handbook), it's a simple tui-based wifi manager
20:18:51 <ravella> I believe it is similar to the network selection that happens during system install, if not the same exact thing
20:19:16 * _xor notices that the RealTek(TM) driver is still...shakey
20:19:27 <_xor> Heh, didn't know about net/realtek-re-kmod.
20:20:06 <debdrup> question is, why are you building p orts instead of using packages?
20:20:11 <lisu> so far so good, I got netmgr, but no wifi ...
20:22:01 <lisu> installing from ports make error 1.... python got problem with somethink like pycairo/py3cairo.h... so... I got it from pkg.
20:22:04 <lisu> works
20:22:30 <lisu> now wifi drivers...
20:26:31 <lisu> bsdconfig wireless -> very nice
20:27:02 <ravella> I was annoyed that the 13.1 installer couldn't detect any networks, but if I dropped into a terminal afterwards and set it up manually it was fine
20:29:42 <ravella> yeah, not sure why bsdconfig was removed from the handbook, it used to be mentioned in the installation section
20:29:51 <ravella> I found it on an obscure fbsd user wiki page
20:31:16 <lisu> init 6... and we will see what ive done ;)
20:33:53 <lisu> nice, detecting wifi network, but cannot connect
20:36:30 <ravella> lisu: can't connect in what sense? dhclient issues? Can you ping the gateway?
20:39:23 <lisu> it looks like link connected, but dhcpdiscover gives time out, no dhcpoffers received...
20:39:50 <lisu> strange, I got at least 3 wifi clients connected
20:40:46 <ravella> is it an unprotected network?
20:41:00 <ravella> I had an issue in a coffee shop a while back, although I think that bug was patched
20:41:30 <lisu> this is wpa2-psk aes home network
20:41:37 <Kalten> lisu: might it be, that you have limited the number of clients that may connect the dhcp server (disconnect another deviece first) or that the Mac adresses is not allowed in the dhcp server?
20:42:20 <nacelle> probably typoed key
20:42:22 <lisu> this is not a limit of my access point client, belive me.
20:43:05 <lisu> key_mgmt=wpa-psk or wpa-psk2 ?
20:43:20 <lisu> wrong way
20:44:30 <ravella> I think wifi & driver issues would be solved in a week if we just donated coffee shop gift cards and laptops to all the devs :D
20:48:31 <lisu> belive me... they will drink this coffee, and ...drink... and drink, and they say: this is more complicated than we think... ;)
20:48:35 <lisu> just kidding
20:50:07 <lisu> wlan0 ..... no link giving up.
20:50:28 <lisu> i know
20:50:31 <lisu> init 6
20:50:39 <lisu> it will help ;)
20:51:16 <lisu> nope
20:56:10 <lisu> 1 character missed in wpa_supplicant, but still somethink is strange about that wifi driver
20:58:21 <lisu> but i must admite: freebsd is quite fast on my obsolete hardware
20:59:04 <nacelle> attaching without anything else when you have the wrong key is normal
20:59:26 <nacelle> you dont get to actually be on the network, but your client will try to transmit with that key anyways
21:01:01 <lisu> failed to reach wpa_supplicant: wpa_cli(8) ping failed
21:01:09 <lisu> what the hack?
21:11:06 <lisu> I think, I know what is going on.... antenas in this laptop are disconnected... I forgot. Wifi works now. I was searching in software, but hardware wasnt right.
21:11:44 <lisu> OK, have a nice day/night whatever. Thx for tips.
21:11:52 <lisu> bye
21:21:39 <Kalten> ROTFL ;-)
21:31:49 <ravella> that's why every troubleshooting guide ever starts with "did you check the power?" :)
21:32:13 <ravella> it's hard to fix a hardware issue in software
22:06:09 <wr> best distro OS to use on a NAS?
22:06:16 <Erhard> TrueNAS
22:06:37 <Erhard> (which is modified FreeBSD)
22:06:53 <dkeav> FreeBSD
22:07:00 <dkeav> (which is unmodified FreeBSD)
22:07:04 <Erhard> ;-)
22:07:20 <dkeav> cut out the middle man ;)
22:07:50 <Erhard> Dunno, TrueNAS makes it very convenient, esp if you want a backup box. You can do it all manually yourself of course.
22:08:16 <Erhard> I used to do it myself, but really been liking TrueNAS lately.
22:08:31 <wr> dkeav, can i use it on a sinology?
22:08:40 <dkeav> no that i know of
22:08:44 <Erhard> Synology has its own OS.
22:08:53 <Erhard> It's decent.
22:09:07 <wr> dkeav, what do you think of OpenMediaVault?
22:09:28 <dkeav> never heard of it