00:19:01 <michaelsavage> hi
00:19:16 <michaelsavage> how do we see what people are working on with freebsd project?
00:19:35 <michaelsavage> aka product backlog
00:21:22 <michaelsavage> I guess nobody is here now
00:22:27 <edenist> michaelsavage perhaps the quarterly report is a good place to start?
00:23:11 <michaelsavage> yes sounds good
00:23:21 <edenist> https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2022-07-2022-09/
00:23:22 <VimDiesel`> Title: FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report Third Quarter 2022 | The FreeBSD Project
00:23:29 <michaelsavage> that's every 12 weeks?
00:23:37 <edenist> Yep
00:24:59 <V_PauAmma_V> Every 3 months, so more like 13 weeks.
00:25:42 <michaelsavage> thank you just going to read through that
00:27:38 <V_PauAmma_V> michaelsavage, and on a microlevel, you can look at what people are committing to the 3 repositories: https://cgit.freebsd.org/
00:27:39 <VimDiesel`> Title: FreeBSD Git repositories
00:32:40 <michaelsavage> are there any developments that are contracted to the freebsd foundation?
00:32:48 <michaelsavage> to freebsd basically?
00:33:17 <michaelsavage> for example, does net flix contract freebsd to do development or another enterprise?
00:36:39 <jimmy399> Hy!
00:43:53 <michaelsavage> this tier 1 cloud service is interesting
00:48:53 <wez> michaelsavage: Which one?
00:49:17 <michaelsavage> https://freebsdfoundation.org/project/freebsd-as-a-tier-i-cloud-init-platform/
00:49:19 <VimDiesel`> Title: FreeBSD as a Tier I cloud-init Platform | FreeBSD Foundation
00:49:22 <michaelsavage> this one
00:49:32 <wez> ah nice
00:49:37 <michaelsavage> my questions on this is that how do they approach and plan on getting it done?
00:50:00 <wez> cloud-init is mostly used by AWS right?  Or have other adopted it?
00:50:01 <michaelsavage> have they broken this task up into story points that will get completed in 5 weeks?
00:50:17 <michaelsavage> I think oracle adopted it also if I remember correctly
00:50:29 <wez> michaelsavage: I think they use T-Shirt sizes over story points
00:50:47 <wez> Or dog breeds
00:50:59 <michaelsavage> are you serious or joking?
00:51:46 <wez> Joking, I have no idea what they use
00:52:11 <wez> but T-Shirt sizes and dog breeds are other common ones
00:52:15 <michaelsavage> well is this project going to fall through the cracks or is it getting done?
00:52:49 <michaelsavage> in progress when was the start date and what is the progress?
00:53:04 <wez> All excellent questions
00:55:03 <michaelsavage> how do we get answers?
00:58:40 <michaelsavage> I guess I will contact the office
00:59:14 <michaelsavage> I'm sort of trying to understand how they go about getting things done
00:59:33 <poisone> is FreeBSD repo still using cvs?
00:59:41 <michaelsavage> we go about getting things done :) since I can be considered part of the team :)
00:59:56 <michaelsavage> yes I think so
01:00:06 <poisone> why not git?
01:00:46 <michaelsavage> they use git
01:01:12 <poisone> good
01:02:00 <michaelsavage> git just transfers over a fie
01:02:13 <michaelsavage> there's actually a nice article about why svn is better
01:02:23 <michaelsavage> but you can use one or the other and get the same results
01:03:35 <poisone> i've readed git docs (while using it for ~4 years before) and found that cvs is drastically feature-less than git
01:04:08 <poisone> for example no feature branch workflow process
03:31:55 <sixpiece> hi wer
03:32:20 <sixpiece> sorry for coming so long again my laptop suddenly froze and was watching a television show
05:05:51 <VVelox> Been racking my brain trying to figure out why 'block drop quick proto tcp from <f2b-fast-log-pbt> to any
05:06:48 <VVelox> ' is not working. I am seeing IPs in the table 'f2b-fast-log-pbt' still being able to send traffic.
05:07:59 <VVelox> And the f2b anchor is the first thing after block all, so there should not be any reason it is still being forwarded.
05:40:16 <VVelox> blarg, after spending nearly an hour bashing my head in about it, I realized derp... proto tcp... yeah, just removed that and it is happy
05:41:36 <VVelox> okay, no difference
05:58:18 <parv> VVelox, You might have states? Have you checked the rule hits after flushing everything?
05:59:39 <parv> Also "tcpdump" with remote IP addresses as source|destination specified could be instructive
06:00:25 <parv> Oh, at least during the debugging I hope you are logging everything
06:36:17 <VVelox> parv: ohh! forgot about that, thanks!
06:52:43 <parv> VVelox, So was it the pre-established states that allowed the block rules to be skipped?
06:53:51 <VVelox> parv: either that or something else funny with the rules... went wrote most of them as there was lots of stuff no long relevant in them, I think one of those blew state that causing the issue
06:54:12 <parv> VVelox, Ah. Alright
07:07:22 <VVelox> parv: hmm... okay actually looks like I needed to flush it via pfctl -F state
07:07:31 <VVelox> restarting/reloading apparently does not do it
08:18:03 <tyler82> Hey!
08:19:53 <tyler82> Anybody did succesfull installation on QEMU KVM with KDE Plasma desktop environment?? I cant set up xserver...
08:20:43 <tyler82> Oclair: Should work now.
09:08:56 <VVelox> parv: So was apparently wrong. Did not make a difference.
09:10:02 <VVelox> parv: if you are curious... https://bsd.to/s7Y1  it looks good... that said looks like a few lines got wrapped after ->
09:10:03 <VimDiesel`> Title: dpaste/s7Y1 (Plain Text)
10:07:00 <V_PauAmma_V> michaelservice I think not directly, but Netflix contributes code to FreeBSD, either/both code developed in-house or by sponsoring independent developers. Look in the changelog for "Sponsored by: Netflix" (unsure of capitalization, so use -i)
10:29:18 <grahamperrin> michaelsavage: see above (from V_PauAmma_V) and <https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/?qt=grep&q=Sponsored+by%3A+Netflix>
10:29:23 <VimDiesel`> Title: src - FreeBSD source tree
10:36:21 <DanGer> any idea why ntp_gettime() returns code 5 (ERROR)
10:59:03 <thorre> Greetings, when executing a "pkg search samba" the newest one i get is 4.13 on FreeBSD 13.1. Is this correct?
11:03:09 <thorre> https://bsd.to/XnL4/raw
11:03:10 <VimDiesel`> Title: XnL4
11:05:12 <normal_user> hello folks
11:05:34 <thorre> Nevermind, saw now that 4.16 is not available (yet) in quarterly.
11:06:30 <normal_user> I'm looking to migrate a server form linux (qemu/kvm VMs) to freebsd+bhyve.
11:07:16 <normal_user> how would I interface with the headless bhyve VMs on the remote machine? other than SSH, ofc.
11:07:54 <fragcula> Lesson learnt hard way don't run `service netif stop` over ssh :)
11:07:56 <normal_user> and if TRIM support implemented yet? didn't find clear information on that.
11:08:08 <thorre> fragcula: :-)
11:08:26 <thorre> fragcula: is the machine within resonable distance from you?
11:08:59 <fragcula> thorre: Monday morning it will be :X but not a production machine at all
12:29:37 <debdrup> normal_user: add a COM port and use nmdm(4) plus tip(1)
12:48:25 <normal_user> debdrup simple enough, thanks!
15:00:46 <hjf> hi. i screwed up my termcap and pretty much everything is broken in my system now
15:01:19 <hjf> i tried to run cap_mkdb /etc/termcap and it generates the termcap.db but all shells tell me that xterm is not recognized
15:01:35 <hjf> export TERM=xterm
15:01:35 <hjf> zsh: can't find terminal definition for xterm
15:07:41 <poisone> hello
15:09:12 <debdrup> hjf: when I fixed that once after breaking it, I ended up using ed
15:10:05 <hjf> debdrup: how did you fix it? i restored termcap back to the original but it still doesn't work
15:10:33 <debdrup> hjf: sorry, I really don't remember anything else about it, it was almost two decades ago
15:10:55 <debdrup> You might be able to use single-user mode and /rescue
15:12:06 <hjf> i'm able to use the system. things kind of work inside gnu screen
15:46:43 <hjf> ok finally
15:47:01 <hjf> it was a ~/termcap.db file.
16:11:43 <HolyTaint> Does someone know if there's a map like that for BSD kernels? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#/media/File:Linux_kernel_map.png
16:11:44 <VimDiesel`> Title: Linux kernel - Wikipedia
16:19:49 <CCFL_Man> i want to use wget to capture a file on an ftp server, but run a simple script that would append the date to the output file name. how can i do that in bash?
16:19:59 <CCFL_Man> define a variable?
16:47:02 <V_PauAmma_V> Does wget have an option to set the local filename?
16:54:33 <V_PauAmma_V> OK, it does. -O. Bash understands backquotes IIRC, so use something like wget -O filename.`date '+%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S'` https://ftp.example.org/path/to/filename
16:54:58 <CCFL_Man> V_PauAmma_V: yes, but it doesn't seem to have an option to add a string to the file name
16:55:25 <CCFL_Man> oh, really?
16:55:26 <V_PauAmma_V> See above.
16:55:36 <CCFL_Man> it's that simple?
16:55:55 <CCFL_Man> thanks! I'll give that a try
16:58:00 <V_PauAmma_V> (Even if bash doesn't understand backquotes as such, ISTR it has a way to include output of a command into the arguments of another.)
17:06:58 <RhodiumToad> backquotes are old-style and deprecated
17:07:24 <RhodiumToad> $(blah) is preferred, because the quoting rules are easier to understand
17:08:40 <RhodiumToad> and that's not a bash-ism either, it's POSIX standard
17:16:39 <V_PauAmma_V> Duly noted.
17:18:18 <RhodiumToad> best example is probably  echo '`'  vs.  echo `echo '`'`  vs.  echo $(echo '`')
17:20:13 <V_PauAmma_V> I haven't needed to read and understand sh code in over a decade, or write any in... 2 or more.
17:41:42 <jmnbtslsQE> is lua set to replace sh eventually for non-C code in freebsd?
17:43:13 <jmnbtslsQE> or maybe only for new such code, since no reason to replace existing sh code
18:24:20 <Soni> how does freebsd handle dns? (is there a /dev/dns?)
18:31:39 <V_PauAmma_V> Define "handle dns"? If you mean "how does it resolve names", see "man resolver" for the userland API.
18:33:05 <Soni> the blocking resolver has some obvious issues. a /dev/dns would solve that.
18:33:22 <Soni> (in fact a /dev/dns would be far more flexible)
18:44:54 <crb> can you mount a file system at more than one place?
18:55:19 <_xor> Quick opinion poll: If someone asked you, "How many programming languages do you know?" - would you include assembly in your answer?
18:58:18 <tsoome> which assembly?;)
18:59:02 <_xor> Any.
18:59:23 <tsoome> of course. language is language.
19:00:53 <_xor> My initial reaction wasn't a quick yes or no. It was questioning, "Well, what level of constructs are we talking?", "Is it Turing-complete?" (before I realized 2 seconds later that duh, of course it is)
19:01:42 <_xor> I mean assemblers don't have to deal with semantics like compilers do (afaik, though I haven't ever written a real assembler).
19:45:21 <rtprio> crb: yep
19:46:08 <rtprio> Soni: man 5 resolver
19:46:46 <rtprio> _xor: i would, but only if it was relevant
21:37:11 <CCFL_Man> V_PauAmma_V: thank you so much! that works quite well
21:57:36 <koobs> morning
22:36:56 <trench> https://wiki.freebsd.org/PackageManagerRosettaStone how to update this?
22:36:57 <VimDiesel`> Title: PackageManagerRosettaStone - FreeBSD Wiki
22:37:24 <trench> all the stuff about openbsd is wrong
22:38:30 <trench> or not added
23:46:16 <jb1277976> sup koobs
23:46:41 <jb1277976> Anyone here use neomutt? if so what terminal emulator do you use. looking for a good emulator that can open up links
23:50:56 <parv> Could you not assign a key binding in "neomutt" to open a link in whatever browser you want? Or, how does opening a link depends on an emulator?
23:52:18 <shiroyasha> parv: Some terminal emulators let you click on links to open them in web browsers. I'm guessing that's what they're looking for.
23:53:21 <parv> shiroyasha, Ah. Thanks