00:00:18 <jb1277976>  I'm still new to all this zfs and ufs used to ext4
00:03:39 <jb1277976> Reading the handbook and watching some videos on how to use it
00:14:23 * V_PauAmma_V nods. Last time I used UFS was in 2019 with 12.1, I think. But it should still work. Which FreeBSD version was that, and (if you remember or captured it), what error were you getting?
00:16:12 <V_PauAmma_V> Going AFK for 1-2 hours.
00:32:13 <rwp> UFS worked fine for me up through 13.1 and I am still running two systems with it just fine.
00:32:16 <stdout> anyone use freebsd as a client for FreeIPA or RH IDM?
00:32:30 <rwp> ZFS just has so many nicer features that it is always the better choice possible.
00:33:00 <stdout> I found an old blog post https://blog.hostileadmin.com/2016/03/24/integrating-freebsd-w-freeipasssd/ but not much else.  curious if it's semi common or just really edge case/not advised
00:33:01 <VimDiesel`> Title: Integrating FreeBSD w/ FreeIPA/SSSD | hostileadmin
01:37:45 <jb1277976> anyone use neomutt ? im using it and can't recieve new mail, i have bind index G imap-fetch-mail but it seems not to be working. any ideas?
01:42:16 <gustik> no idea, I did not even know that there is a new mutt, how did you find it? Did you try alpine?
01:42:26 <Dev1ls> gmail?
01:42:50 <Dev1ls> check if you install neomutt sasl version
01:45:38 <gustik> there is also #neomutt channel here
01:46:19 <gustik> but interesting idea this neomutt, I will look at it sometime soon, because it spawned interest in me
01:47:52 <Dev1ls> im dont understand de diference of mutt and neomutt
02:20:25 <rtprio> Dev1ls: as i recall the mutt maintainers are not receptive to certain patches; so the neomutt people startd their own with the patches they wanted
02:20:35 <rtprio> i'm certain it's more complicated than that
02:26:36 <Dev1ls> rtprio: ahh ok ok
02:26:49 <Dev1ls> i alway use plain mutt
02:26:54 <Dev1ls> basic config
03:28:00 <jb1277976> Guys i'm trying to find a network printer on the network right. i had to reinstall freebsd the other day but that install found the network printer and this new install can't. i've enabled and installed cups, i've instaleld the printer drivers already and still nothing. any ideas?
03:36:48 <parv> Have you tried manually specifying the printer via "IPP" scheme?
04:00:30 <jb1277976> parv: nope
04:02:26 <jb1277976> parv: i keep getting "Filter failed"
04:27:31 <parv> What do you (or the CUPS itelf) do (does) which causes "Filter failed"?
04:29:11 <angry_vincent> trying printing with netcat
04:30:23 <skered> jb1277976: Do you have avahi installed and running?
04:37:29 <skered> jb1277976: You're install cups from outside of ports?  via linux compat?
04:37:32 <skered> installing*
04:50:06 <jb1277976> sorry skered  was afk
04:50:24 <jb1277976> skered: i installed my printer driver via ports and no i don't have avahi running
04:50:42 <skered> What port?
04:50:55 <skered> epson-inkjet-printer-escpr ?
04:51:09 <jb1277976> print/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2 Epson Inkjet Printer Driver 2 (ESC/P-R) for Linux
04:51:46 <jb1277976> I can add the printer now after a reboot. and the driver i just get the error "filter failed"
04:52:45 <jb1277976> skered: https://dpaste.org/DgfyV
04:55:33 <skered> The /compat/opt/linux/  is suspect.
04:55:52 <skered> epson-inkjet-printer-escpr uses /usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/epson-escpr-wrapper
04:56:09 <skered> Can you change the ppd file for the printer?
04:57:34 <jb1277976> What's the ppd ?
04:57:58 <jb1277976> Do you want me to delete and re-add the printer via ups admin page?
04:57:59 <skered>  /usr/local/share/cups/model/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr/Epson-ET-4700_Series-epson-escpr-en.ppd
04:58:17 <skered> What model printer is it?
04:58:44 <jb1277976> et-4760
05:01:12 <jb1277976> skered: i added the ppd manually and still get the "filter failed" error 0_o
05:01:23 <jb1277976> i had to print the document with a windows VM
05:01:57 <skered> With the same debug output?
05:02:06 <jb1277976> skered: im assuming so
05:02:15 <jb1277976> skered: want the log?
05:02:33 <jdw3000> Was just reading about the olden' days of FreeBSD on floppies that bring back good memories.  I probably installed it 40 times...  I used the two floppy method (2 1.44MB floppies) + network download.  I would start it before going to bed on a dial up modem or the same before going to school.  Most of the time it went all the way through as it used a very reliable installer that was feature rich and had many packages that you didn't
05:02:33 <jdw3000> always need ports for downloadable but I still used those too which when adding to the superior documentation (Handbook) made it a fun OS 1995 -> Think it was very 2.x then.  I like that FreeBSD has always been a quality OS with great engineering.
05:03:37 <jb1277976> skered: https://dpaste.org/v7ahC looks diffrent i guess
05:04:15 <jb1277976> naw same
05:04:44 <jb1277976> Connection:	lpd://10.0.0.11:515/PASSTHRU < -- could be supsect
05:08:52 <skered> What's the output of ippfind ?
05:13:38 <skered> I have only have exp. with staticly IP'ed printers with cups using raw ports 9100.
05:14:14 <jb1277976> skered: whats ippfind?
05:14:34 <jb1277976> is it a port?
05:15:56 <jb1277976> joe@freebsd:~ $ ippfind --ls
05:15:56 <jb1277976> ippfind: Unable to use Bonjour: Daemon not running
05:16:10 <skered> Ok so avahi isn't running.
05:16:21 <skered> er is that mdns?
05:16:34 <skered> Is that printer IPed 10.0.0.11?
05:16:58 <jb1277976> Don't know, do you want me to install avahi ?
05:18:38 <skered> Can you ping 10.0.0.1?
05:18:42 <skered> .11 rather
05:19:46 <jb1277976> yea i can ping it
05:20:17 <skered> nc -vz 10.0.0.11 9100
05:20:32 <skered> What's the output of that?
05:20:58 <jb1277976> Connection to 10.0.0.11 9100 port [tcp/jetdirect] succeeded!
05:23:20 <skered> URI to socket://10.0.0.11:9100
05:23:27 <skered> Try to print again
05:23:48 <jb1277976> ok
05:26:12 <jb1277976> same skered  stopped "Filter failed"
05:26:21 <jb1277976> can't belive this is this hard!
05:28:06 <skered> What's the ouptut of
05:28:09 <skered> lpstat -a -t
05:30:36 <jb1277976> one sec
05:31:02 <jb1277976> skered: https://dpaste.org/zGyV2
05:34:01 <jb1277976> i'm looking all over the internet
05:36:43 <skered> Did you change that ppd file?
05:37:06 <skered> Install epson-inkjet-printer-escpr
05:38:10 <jb1277976> its escpr2 do you want me to try escpr ?
05:39:38 <jb1277976> im going to delete the printer add it as socket and do the ppd
05:40:32 <jb1277976> same thing
05:41:23 <skered> pkg remove epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2
05:41:26 <skered> pkg install epson-inkjet-printer-escpr
05:42:47 <jb1277976> ok
05:42:58 <jb1277976> skered: i built escpr2 should i make deinstall ?
05:42:58 <skered> With escpr installed.  Does cups list something like "EPSON ET-4700 Series"
05:43:09 <jb1277976> yea it shows the whole thing
05:43:18 <skered> Did you remove epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2?
05:43:43 <jb1277976> https://dpaste.org/USZGS
05:43:46 <jb1277976> doing it now
05:47:00 <jb1277976> skered: new error Fri Nov 4 22:44:38 2022   "The printer is not responding."
05:47:06 <jb1277976> wait its printing
05:47:11 <jb1277976> brb
05:48:45 <jb1277976> skered: it printed the test page ? i'm trying to figure out whats going on now?
05:49:30 <jb1277976> Driver issue?
05:49:49 <jb1277976> also it didn't 'have my printer with the espcr driver. i chose a higher model
05:50:27 <jb1277976> https://dpaste.org/k8oEG
05:56:30 <jb1277976> Thanks for everything skered  im gonna reply back to the mailing list that you fixed it :P like i said while we where doing this i was everyone looking
05:56:45 <jb1277976> s/everyone/everywhere/
06:15:14 <skered> It's something with the Linux compat layer that can't execute epson-escpr-wrapper2
06:37:51 <jb1277976> Thanks again skered
08:40:14 <dch> jb1277976: I see you made it here from the mailing list :)
09:07:56 <xmj> o/ dch
11:22:37 <mzar> hello
11:22:57 <la_mettrie> hi
11:23:17 <mzar> is anyone here using Ubuntu 22.04 chroot on CURRENT ?
11:23:29 <mzar> I have issues with sending sound to the host
11:23:58 <mzar> s/chroot/inside chroot/
11:51:13 <kn07_> hello
11:51:48 <kn07_> do you know if freebsd is stable for thinkpad x1 carbon gen 10?
11:59:01 <jdw3000> kn07:  I have noticed all the Lenovo products work better with FreeBSD (and Linux) than other brands but not sure on that particular machine.
12:00:01 <jdw3000> Well, from what I read and by my experience without any hiccups like wireless, sound, NIC out of the box.
12:03:39 <NerdyMcNerdface> The thinkpads have had a long lasting nerdy fanclub. Not sure if that has caused pressure on getting workarounds to be made in freebsd, linux etc or that IBM/Lenovo have just been good at making hardware that works according to specs and just works.
12:05:42 <NerdyMcNerdface> Apropos that, what is the safest choice when buying a new laptop for freebsd?
12:06:41 <NerdyMcNerdface> Lenovo? Dell? <insert other brand/model here>
12:33:37 <gartt> NerdyMcNerdface: I installed FBSD on a Lenovo P620. The only thing that didn't work out of the box was the Aqtion ethernet card but apparently there was a driver for that
12:44:00 <shiroyasha> I tried on a Medion Akoya but gave up, and I don't remember why.
12:46:21 <shiroyasha> I *think* it was because the network interface was going down often, for some reason I didn't want to spend effort on debugging.
12:46:30 <shiroyasha> Wired network, not even wifi.
12:46:42 <shiroyasha> So definitely don't go with those laptops.
13:03:28 <vxwarlock> How much should the freebsd efi size you? 2MB or 200MB
13:25:02 <debdrup> crest: can I volunteer you to help me test webrtc on spatial.chat once I've done a `make buildworld buildkernel && tools/build/beinstall.sh`, since I know that you've got the requisite setup for it?
13:26:56 <debdrup> Or does anyone else happen to have a working webcam+mic setup in their browser, so that I can test if I can still both send and receive both?
13:32:10 <debdrup> It'll probably also help if I remember -j8.
14:37:53 * dch waves belatedly to xmj
14:59:47 <debdrup> vxwarlock: check /boot/loader.efi for its size and assume it's going to grow and/or you might want other files to boot from too at a later point.
15:10:45 <vxwarlock> debdrup  > I installed windows+ubuntu on the same disk, but when I wanted to install freebsd on it, I could not succeed.
15:11:25 <vxwarlock> error mounting partition /mnt/boot/efi mount_msdosfs
15:11:48 <vxwarlock> all os gpt + uefi
15:19:06 <V_PauAmma_V> vxwarlock, what were the exact mount command you used and the exact error message? (Use a pastebin if at all possible.)
15:20:57 <V_PauAmma_V> (Or the exact error message, if you didn't issue the mount command yourself and can't see what it was.)
15:43:18 <vxwarlock> V_PauAmma_V https://bsd.to/6MgY
15:43:19 <VimDiesel`> Title: dpaste/6MgY (Plain Text)
15:46:13 <vxwarlock> V_PauAmma_V > https://bsd.to/NJOh
15:46:14 <VimDiesel`> Title: dpaste/NJOh (Plain Text)
15:49:27 <V_PauAmma_V> "busy" means it's already mounted elsewhere. Find where using "mount" (no arguments) or pastebin the output of that.
16:19:21 <jb1277976> What's the best time to get support here. Like the UTC hours?
16:21:02 <vortexx> I made the mistake of setting up auto snapshots with the zfsnap2 package and now my SSD holding the OS has run out of disk space. I can't delete the snapshots cos I'm getting I/O errors, should I reboot or is there something I can do?
16:36:50 <V_PauAmma_V> jb1277976, the best strategy is to ask a specific question and stay here until someone who knows or can help you find out answers. It's not as much a matter of when people are active as when someone who knows will look at the channel.
16:37:11 <V_PauAmma_V> (Which is hard to predict.)
16:41:59 <V_PauAmma_V> vortexx, are you getting transient errors or permanent errors? If the latter, the best I can think of is to boot rescue media, kldload zfs, and salvage what can be from the last full snapshot before you started getting errors.
16:43:57 <V_PauAmma_V> Naptime.
16:49:28 <vortexx> V_PauAmma_V: transient but nothing will delete
16:49:37 <vortexx> guess I'm going to have to try rescue media
17:49:10 <vortexx> right, tried to import my zpool that's on the SSD that's full, that works but zfs destroy fails because of I/O issues or because device is full. I also tried to resize a VM zvol to 8k but that was larger than free space so it doesn't work
17:49:23 <vortexx> smartctl isn't returning errors
17:49:37 <vortexx> should I reinstall ? Seems to be the only option
17:50:00 <vortexx> using zfs destroy -f still doesn't work even from a rescue image
18:14:57 <vxwarlock> V_PauAmma_V > problem solved, i was putting extra extra eufi field.
18:41:08 <vxwarlock> UFS /dev/nvd0p7 (/) cylinder checksum failed: cg 45, cgp : 0xffffffff !=bp: 0x60d93296 |   any comments ?
18:41:28 <V_PauAmma_V> vortexx, if that SSD is giving you transient errors bad enough that they cause what you seem to be describing, I would be wary of installing anything on it.
18:42:18 <vxwarlock> hmm
18:42:55 <vxwarlock> new laptop | Could it be a configuration problem?
18:54:01 <rtprio> vxwarlock: did you say this is zfs?
18:54:15 <rtprio> why is the partition labeled freebsd-ufs; shouldn't it be labeled freebsd-zfs
18:54:19 <vxwarlock> no I use it ufs
18:55:46 <vxwarlock> windows + ubuntu + freebsd same disk | I installed it this way because ufs is usually seen in installations. no particular reason.
18:57:26 <rtprio> and you're in the process of installing, yeah?
18:59:38 <vxwarlock> The installation is finished, I was going to make the wifi settings. I was creating supplicant file.
19:05:59 <rtprio> i don't know; it sounds like an issue of an old disk, but you say that it's new
19:06:44 <rtprio> i'd probably try to fsck it. and it will need to be unmounted for that
19:08:40 <vxwarlock> Is there a command or application you would recommend so that I can test the disk?
19:09:44 <rtprio> i would fsck the freebsd filesystems; i'd also smartctl the disk
19:10:18 <rtprio> to test all the systems, you'll need to boot from install media, choose live cd, and then fsck them
19:14:55 <vxwarlock> Thank you for your advice, I will completely wipe the disk and try again.
19:17:56 <vxwarlock> g'night, bye.
19:18:14 <jb1277976> Thanks V_PauAmma_V
19:18:46 <jb1277976> Anyone know how to make virtualbox bigger when you boot up or while its running ? dosen't look like i can install guest additions while in the terminal
19:19:00 <jb1277976> freebsd is the guest
19:28:20 <rtprio> vxwarlock; that's not what i suggested at all, and there's no evidence that it will even fix the problem
19:30:23 <rtprio> jb1277976: i thought ther was a package to install the guest additions
19:30:41 <jb1277976> rtprio: i think there is but i'm at the cosole no X installed
19:31:00 <jb1277976> i want to try out zfs since it was installed by the defualt freebsd install
19:31:27 <rtprio> you could enable ssh and configure your terminal to be any size you want
19:32:25 <jb1277976> ssh -X or just ssh into it?
19:33:36 <rtprio> you said there's no X installed; so no point in forwarding X
19:34:01 <jb1277976> ok
19:53:20 <jb1277976> Thanks rtprio  will try