00:11:24 <spork_css> Lucas covers "native" jails and iocage in his book and that's what got me poking at iocage. I really like it, it's generally worked well for me and is easy to automate.
00:13:25 <spork_css> There's also an "iohyve" that aims to be a similar tool for bhyve VMs, but looks a little dead: https://github.com/pr1ntf/iohyve
00:13:27 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - pr1ntf/iohyve: FreeBSD bhyve manager utilizing ZFS
00:36:21 <koobs> ghoti spork_css i redid the containers page: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Containers#Container_Tools:_Third-Party
00:36:22 <VimDiesel> Title: Containers - FreeBSD Wiki
00:36:28 <koobs> fwiw
00:36:50 <koobs> must do same for bhyve things
00:36:53 <ghoti> spork_css: I used iohyve for bhyve management for a while, but the project hasn't seen a commit on github since 2017. I migrated to vm-bhyve, which also works nicely.
00:39:15 <ghoti> koobs, do you know if there's a tool or a library that understands config files in the format that jail.conf uses? I've been rolling my own, and I'm never confident that it's 100%, or future-proof.
00:39:50 <koobs> ghoti: nope im note
00:40:00 <koobs> not*
00:40:42 <ghoti> Dang. Maybe I'll just write an awk script linter for jail.conf and contribute it.\
00:40:52 <koobs> how would you want it to work?
00:40:55 <ghoti> Then others can add what's missing. :)
00:41:33 <koobs> is jails.conf kind of a standin for what would be a OCI/standard method for declaring a jail?
00:44:23 <ghoti> Perhaps, but the spec doesn't match our configs.  https://specs.opencontainers.org/runtime-spec/config/?v=v1.0.2
00:44:25 <VimDiesel> Title: The OpenContainers Runtime Spec Config
00:44:40 <koobs> oh i just meant conceptually
00:44:46 <ghoti> ah, maybe.
00:44:49 <koobs> jails.conf being an 'implementation' of the concept
00:46:14 <ghoti> Anyway, I feel we could use something with a bit of *understanding* of our config. Like, `allow.raw_sockets;` has no = after it, `ip4.addr` can take 1 or more arguments separated by commas, etc.
00:46:21 <koobs> right
00:46:48 <koobs> feels like a config 'spec'
00:47:18 <koobs> 'schema'
00:47:20 <ghoti> I have never written a spec, but I have written lots of config automation. :)
00:48:03 <koobs> there's a concept called a lexer/parser
00:48:12 <koobs> that programs / languages can be defined in
00:49:13 <koobs> theres various open source tools to create these 'grammars'
00:50:43 <koobs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexical_analysis
00:50:44 <VimDiesel> Title: Lexical analysis - Wikipedia
00:54:47 <ghoti> I've spent the last 15 minutes reading src and about json lexers, to get an idea of what is out there for something more mainstream. 15 minutes is not enough..
01:04:59 <koobs> ghoti: https://pypi.org/project/jailconf/
01:05:00 <VimDiesel> Title: jailconf · PyPI
01:05:01 <koobs> ?
01:05:30 <koobs> https://pypi.org/project/jail/
01:05:31 <VimDiesel> Title: jail · PyPI
01:05:32 <koobs> ?
01:14:23 <ghoti> I love how the lex man page is a full lesson on how to construct an ERE. Never seen that before.
01:38:16 <ghoti> koobs: jailconf looks like just about exactly what I was hoping for. Not sure I get the other one yet, but it also lead me to https://github.com/bsdci/ioc which is interesting.
01:38:19 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - bsdci/ioc: libioc command line tool for BSD jail management
01:38:49 <koobs> ghoti: nice let us know how it goes
01:45:16 <jb1277976> Anyone know if a good app for iphone that I can use for mailing list?
01:45:25 <jb1277976>  Of*
01:55:14 <koobs> mail works fine?
01:55:20 <koobs> depends what specific functionality you want
01:55:27 <koobs> not many choices for free and open source
02:02:02 * parv moans about Mail (iOS) always stuffing one kind of email in "Junk" folder; there has been no change in behaviour after repeatedly moving that mail from there. He has given up on Mail to see the light 
02:06:22 <jb1277976> koobs: something that i can track like mutt for iphone or something. that top post and stuff
02:50:55 <accelerat0r> hi guys ! any info about libreoffice not showing in the pkg search ?
03:36:24 <rtprio> elliot@phil:~$ pkg search -i libreoffice|grep -v language
03:36:24 <rtprio> libreoffice-7.4.2.3_1          Full integrated office productivity suite
03:36:35 <rtprio> accelerat0r: ^
03:37:41 <parv> There is no result in "latest" on stable/13
03:38:39 <accelerat0r> lets see
03:41:17 <rtprio> oh
03:42:28 <accelerat0r> pretty weird then
03:44:16 <parv> fallout: https://portsfallout.com/fallout?port=&maintainer=&env=amd64&category=&categories=editors&flavor= ; logs for "131amd64-default": https://portsfallout.com/fallout/582676/
03:44:18 <VimDiesel> Title: Fallout list - FreeBSD pkg-fallout
06:10:46 <spork_css> ghoti: thanks for the pointer to https://github.com/churchers/vm-bhyve!
06:13:52 <spork_css> koobs: awesome list, looks like you've been busy w/edits on that wiki page
06:53:26 <dksnd> how can I restore the boot loader on a freebsd partition?
07:05:01 <xmj> dksnd: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=boot0cfg&sektion=8
07:05:01 <xmj> also have a look at the gpart manpage (last hint)
07:05:01 <xmj> last hint in the manpage, i mean
07:05:03 <VimDiesel> Title: boot0cfg(8)
07:07:10 <dksnd> I'm asking about partition, not a disk
07:07:27 <dksnd> also I'm not sure I'm using the bsdlabel nonsense
07:18:15 <dksnd> it should boot from a normal ufs2-formatted partition - is that possible?
07:18:35 <pvalenta> hello, I am study some of periodic scripts for inspiration. Why is colon before this? ": ${daily_scrub_zfs_default_threshold=35}" ....It is a null command according to man page but why is it needed? Thanks
07:25:54 <dksnd> also, why /boot/boot2 doesn't have the first sector? is it combined with something else?
07:37:04 <xmj> i mean, that's what gpart is for
07:37:27 <dksnd> I'm getting a feeling that the last person who knew how that stuff works died in 1982
07:37:54 <xmj> have you read the handbook?
07:38:06 <dksnd> yes
07:38:23 <xmj> and it's not in there?
07:38:54 <dksnd> no, it is not there
07:39:11 <xmj> dksnd: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#updating-bootcode
07:39:12 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 25. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
07:39:41 <xmj> stands to reason that "restoring loader" is akin to "upgrading loader"
07:40:36 <dksnd> something something gpart
07:40:48 <dksnd> it doesn't work obviously
07:41:03 <xmj> what have you tried and how has this failed for you?
07:44:48 <parv> pvalenta, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7444504/explanation-of-colon-operator-in-foo-value
07:44:50 <VimDiesel> Title: bash - Explanation of colon operator in ": ${foo=value}" - Stack Overflow
07:49:35 <dksnd> first, gpart doesn't seem to see the partition
07:53:51 <xmj> post the output to a pastebin
07:54:37 <dksnd> output of what?
08:27:34 <dksnd> I can't even reproduce the environment in a vm because your wonderful os doesn't work in virtualbox
08:27:56 <xmj> of course it does
08:28:02 <xmj> you're just doing it wrong
08:29:32 <dksnd> I'm trying to install it but it just hangs
08:36:20 <pvalenta> parv, oh, nice. Thank you
08:59:54 <dksnd> playing with boot options doesn't do anything either -  i'm not even sure they are applied because the output is the same
09:04:27 <dksnd> https://paste.pics/e0ef4420e9f4bec73047202ac95fabf6
09:04:28 <VimDiesel> Title: Screenshot, 2022-11-03 12:03:58 - Paste.Pics
09:28:50 <dksnd> and of course the wonderful community has no solution on their wonderful forums
09:36:55 <dksnd> also, why /boot/boot2 doesn't have the first sector? is it combined with something else?
13:29:11 <debdrup> ooo, openzfs devsummit videos are starting to show up.
13:31:02 <debdrup> if that image is the first boot from media, there's no /etc/hostid and /boot/entropy included on the install media, so the problem isn't anything to do with those messages
13:31:40 <debdrup> i'm guessing that since there are blue borders around the image, this is some sort of serial redirection console attached to hardware?
13:32:01 <debdrup> so you need to set up the serial redirection properly
13:32:50 <debdrup> or maybe that's part of the website, but that doesn't really preclude serial redirection
15:45:19 <phryk> is mixing pkg repositories still discouraged? i recently switched back to the official pkg repo, but my xmpp server is currently broken because the luadbi package is built without postgres support…
15:45:52 <phryk> so I'm wondering whether i can just make a tiny pkg repo with only the packages for which i need different build-time options without it messing things up…
15:50:14 <debdrup> If you have to use multiple package repositories, it's best if you overlay them with priorities.
15:51:01 <debdrup> pkg.conf(5) describes the property.
15:52:51 <phryk> debdrup: I assume you're talking about "PRIORITY"?
15:52:59 <debdrup> Yup.
15:53:02 <phryk> Great, thanks.
15:53:17 <debdrup> It'd be quite odd for it to be named anything else ;)
15:53:44 <phryk> debdrup: I wouldn't be surprised by that, tho. :P
15:54:26 <debdrup> Really?
15:54:31 <phryk> I assume one problem with mixed repos would be if my overlay repo has some ports built with some option deactivated that's active by default when others ports not in the overlay depend on it?
15:54:56 <phryk> Yes, really. This is IT, things don't necessarily make sense. :P
15:54:58 <debdrup> Depends on the priority.
15:55:17 <debdrup> Usually things make a _little_ more sense in FreeBSD though.
15:55:24 <phryk> The overlay would obviously have a higher priority so the packages that are in there override the ones from official pkg repo.
15:55:38 <phryk> Yes, usually. :P
15:55:55 <phryk> Big reason why I picked FreeBSD ;)
15:56:26 <debdrup> The biggest problem with mixed repos is when you're not in-sync with the latest checkout of the packages, really.
20:10:09 <koobs> morning
20:12:44 <koobs> Full FreeBSD DevSummit Day 1 Video is up: https://youtu.be/RxSTqxpT1y0
20:12:45 <VimDiesel`> Title: November 2022 FreeBSD Vendor Summit - Day 1 - YouTube
20:18:14 <koobs> spork_css: my pleasure
20:18:17 <koobs> glad its useful
20:55:07 * dch waves to phryk 
20:55:20 <phryk> heya, dch!
20:55:51 <dch> meena: hey I set up hedgedo today, its cake now.
21:21:47 <jb1277976> Thanks koobs  all those FreeBSD heads talking about stuff. Makes me feel not alone 😁
21:30:46 <koobs> \o/
21:31:19 <codersmoke> anyone have any idea why i can ping a jail's host, but cannot ping anything else beyond that?
21:31:28 <codersmoke> this is a vnet jail. shared jail works fine
21:32:23 <RhodiumToad> usually that means you didn't enable forwarding on the host
21:32:46 <RhodiumToad> if not that, it's likely either a routing or firewall problem
21:33:26 <codersmoke> RhodiumToad: net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 # Enable IP forwarding between interfaces
21:33:34 <codersmoke> in my sysctl.conf
21:34:31 <codersmoke> i have unifi hardware, say the jail is 192.168.1.17, and the host is 192.168.1.125, and the router is 192.168.1.1
21:34:45 <meena> dch: did you put it into ports?
21:34:46 <codersmoke> host network works fine
21:35:14 <RhodiumToad> codersmoke: I think you're probably misunderstanding how routing works with vnet
21:35:28 <codersmoke> RhodiumToad: I probably am :)
21:35:45 <RhodiumToad> the vnet jail behaves like an entirely separate host, attached by a _separate_ network interface
21:36:04 <RhodiumToad> have you set up a bridge for the host and the jail to share the network?
21:36:18 <codersmoke> yes, i'll share my ifconfig, if that's ok?
21:36:24 <RhodiumToad> sure
21:37:34 <codersmoke> https://dpaste.org/Y200b
21:37:40 <codersmoke> RhodiumToad: ^
21:39:14 <codersmoke> https://dpaste.org/jL0LZ is my rc.conf on the host
21:39:25 <RhodiumToad> you've put the host ip on the physical interface not on the bridge, in my experience this doesn't work properly though the failures can be subtle
21:39:47 <RhodiumToad> any firewall rules?
21:40:36 <codersmoke> none
21:40:36 <codersmoke> thought i'd get it going before i implement firewall
21:40:36 <codersmoke> so, em0 on host shouldn't have ip?
21:41:14 <RhodiumToad> oh, also you have two ifconfig_em0 lines, that doesn't work
21:42:11 <RhodiumToad> I would try it like this:  ifconfig_em0="up"   ifconfig_bridge0="inet 192.168.1.150 netmask 255.255.255.0 addm em0"
21:43:51 <RhodiumToad> gateway_enable="YES" should enable forwarding without needing to have that separately in sysctl.conf
21:44:28 <codersmoke> ok, i'll give this a go right now
21:44:44 <codersmoke> thanks for your help RhodiumToad
21:46:58 <codersmoke> host inaccessible now via ssh
21:47:31 <RhodiumToad> what exactly does the rc.conf look like now?
21:51:39 <codersmoke> https://dpaste.org/ubxQa RhodiumToad i had to type it over from vmware interface
21:52:16 <codersmoke> no i won't win any awards for following instructions, maybe i botched your tip
21:54:03 <codersmoke> I should add, i have a functioning vnet on my freenas server, and it puts the inet ip on the igb0 interface and not the bridge0
21:56:43 <RhodiumToad> you missed out the  ifconfig_em0="up"
21:57:20 <RhodiumToad> (you need that to bring the interface up in the absence of an address)
21:58:27 <codersmoke> thanks, is that before or after the ifconfig_bridge0 line?
21:58:35 <RhodiumToad> doesn't matter
21:58:53 <RhodiumToad> rc.conf is just a set of variable assignments, not a list of commands
21:59:20 <RhodiumToad> that's why specifying some name twice doesn't work, the second assignment just overwrites the first
22:02:54 <codersmoke> so, I added it, and still can't ping the host
22:03:16 <codersmoke> (from my laptop)
22:03:24 <RhodiumToad> "addm em0"  not "add em0"  in the bridge0 line
22:14:28 <RhodiumToad> codersmoke: any progress?
22:14:40 <codersmoke> not yet, i'm messing a bit with ifconfig though
22:14:46 <codersmoke> thanks for hanging around though.
22:20:28 <codersmoke> RhodiumToad: hardly as simple as a static route in my unifi controller?
22:21:12 <RhodiumToad> shouldn't be needed if the bridge is correctly set up.
22:24:02 <codersmoke> resorting to tcpdump
22:24:37 <RhodiumToad> can you see the ARP table on the router?
22:28:34 <codersmoke> a bit complicated on the unifi controller, it can be done, but i just don't have immediate access to the console
22:29:03 <codersmoke> strange thing though. i am seeing ARP requests in tcpdump in the jail itself
22:29:14 <RhodiumToad> yes, you should
22:29:33 <codersmoke> seeing reference to my wife's iphone too, which make me certain that *something* is coming through
22:29:43 <codersmoke> i can only suspect its a routing issue
22:30:02 <RhodiumToad> the vnet jail should see any broadcasts on the network that it's bridged to
22:30:17 <RhodiumToad> which will include all arp requests
22:30:31 <codersmoke> possibly an in-jail routing issue, perhaps
22:30:35 <RhodiumToad> it should answer arp requests for its own IP
22:31:28 <codersmoke> there is no reference to the jail's ip, or even the host's ip for that matter
22:31:52 <codersmoke> in the tcpdump that is
22:32:22 <RhodiumToad> if you try pinging the jail from outside, do you see arp requests for it?
22:34:18 <codersmoke> no
22:34:19 <codersmoke> none
22:34:37 <codersmoke> oh wait, 22:33:26.522137 ARP, Request who-has 192.168.1.240 tell 192.168.1.17, length 28
22:34:38 <RhodiumToad> do you see the pings?
22:35:01 <RhodiumToad> and do you see a response to that request?
22:35:03 <codersmoke> no
22:35:28 <codersmoke> nothing there. so it's outbound issue (jail--->host) presumably?
22:35:44 <RhodiumToad> what's the ifconfig look like from within the jail?
22:36:26 <codersmoke> https://dpaste.org/vjosB
22:37:28 <RhodiumToad> hm
22:37:53 <RhodiumToad> ah
22:37:58 <RhodiumToad> .17 is the jail
22:38:02 <codersmoke> yes
22:38:13 <RhodiumToad> what is .240 ? the box you were pinging from?
22:38:21 <codersmoke> correct
22:38:25 <codersmoke> and the host is .150
22:38:47 <RhodiumToad> so the jail sent out an arp request to find out where .240 is, and got nothing?
22:39:25 <codersmoke> oh wait yes, that makes more sense
22:41:39 <codersmoke> frustrating, right?
22:43:21 <RhodiumToad> can you check with tcpdump on the host em0 to see if that arp request got out, and on .240 to see if it was received there?
22:45:27 <codersmoke> RhodiumToad: I must hit the sack now, but I'll try tomorrow, is it ok to /msg you with the end result?
22:45:37 <RhodiumToad> sure, if you like
22:46:45 <codersmoke> thanks mate! appreciate the help.