00:04:11 Sup koobs ... This channel is dead without you 😎 00:04:21 jb1277976: nah mate, we just have a timezone overlap :) 00:04:28 Aw 00:04:47 what timezone you in? 00:05:04 utc+11 (sydney, au) 00:05:17 Aw ok 00:05:27 let me google mine 00:06:33 UTC -7 PDT California 00:07:25 interesting 00:07:30 so you stay up late then :) 00:08:36 Yea 00:09:09 @loo 00:09:41 koobs: you hang out on the forums? 00:10:19 nope 00:23:28 good evening all 00:27:17 among i9 CPUs, which internal GPU is supported by FreeBSD? 00:28:04 for example, I know that the uhd630 gpu on the i9-10900k is supported by freebsd, but what about GPUs on other i9 CPUs? 00:28:34 https://github.com/freebsd/drm-kmod-firmware/commits/master 00:28:35 Title: Commits · freebsd/drm-kmod-firmware · GitHub 00:28:38 up to tiger lake i think? 00:29:41 and tiger lake is on which CPU? 00:30:07 Tiger Lake is Intel's codename for the 11th generation Intel Core 00:30:16 does freebsd implement devops? 00:30:17 https://github.com/freebsd/drm-kmod-firmware notes which Linux-equivalent is in each of 12, 13.0, 13.1 00:30:18 Title: GitHub - freebsd/drm-kmod-firmware: KMS firmware components for graphics/kms-firmware port 00:30:29 or software agility? 00:30:40 sixpiece: definitions please .. 00:30:57 So, 13.1 says it's equivalent to 5.10-lts, which is to say, Debian. 00:31:03 mason: id really love a table (or list items) in the readme. 00:31:16 I have this school project and I need to go to work with a company looking to implement devops 00:31:39 sixpiece: what are your needed learning/experience outcomes? 00:31:47 or software agility and make an evaluation of some sort 00:32:21 the two other choices are evaluation of their application of agility, for a company that pretends to implement agility 00:32:44 or devops is implemented but they could benefit from process improvements 00:33:17 sixpiece: are you looking for companies or opensource projects? 00:33:35 i was in here yesterday asking about how to recover from a zroot pool that was complaining about unrecoverable failures. i hard powered-off the machine, waited a bit, then powered it on. it came up cleanly, none of the zpools reported problems, and scrubbing the zroot pool also reported no problems. i'm not sure how to interpret this. would appreciate any thoughts, insights, etc. 00:33:43 yes company to work with I thought freebsd would be good 00:35:33 sixpiece: freebsd isnt really a company, so you may want to clarify? 00:37:48 freebsd is a company 00:39:16 sixpiece: freebsd is an open source project, not a company 00:39:38 interesting who's the owner? 00:39:44 the community 00:39:49 I mean it showed me Jordan Hubbard 00:40:00 early participant in the project 00:40:05 at one point 00:40:15 noone owns freebsd 00:40:38 the freebsd foundation 'takes care' (has legal responsibility) for some things like the freebsd logo, etc 00:40:38 The Foundation owns such IP as isn't covered by copyrights in source, etc. 00:40:52 the freebsd foundation owns freebsd 00:41:04 and the application 00:42:06 it's good enough for me I will say it's the foundation 00:42:21 koobs: tiger lake is a mobile cpu, right? what about desktop i9 cpus? 00:42:26 the foundation is not involved in develoment processes of the project however 00:42:31 i don't even understand what it means to "own" FreeBSD 00:42:32 I mean, it's a mobile gpu 00:42:45 understood I will try to work with the development team though 00:42:54 to get my project done 00:42:57 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Lake#Desktop/tablet_processors_(Tiger_Lake-B) 00:42:58 Title: Tiger Lake - Wikipedia 00:43:02 Oleg1: ^ 00:45:59 koobs: so, anything that is more recent than tiger lake is definitely not supported by freebsd? 00:46:07 Oleg1: i wouldnt say that 00:50:23 Intel UHD Graphics 770 is still not supported by freebsd, right? 00:51:55 koobs it sounds like a good idea right? 00:53:02 what is the development method of freebsd? 00:53:22 do they use software agility methods or devops currently? 00:55:26 https://www.freebsd.org/projects/ 00:55:27 Title: FreeBSD Development Projects | The FreeBSD Project 00:55:34 I have to learn what devops is myself 00:57:08 Oleg1, what specific CPU are you using? 00:58:57 devops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CI/CD 00:58:59 Title: CI/CD - Wikipedia 00:59:04 Modern-day DevOps practices: section at bottom 00:59:13 iio7: I am just curious which internal GPUs of i9 processors are supported by freebsd's drm-kmod. 00:59:54 Oleg1, from looking at intel_device_info.h in the list of drivers for i915, only up to gen 12 is supported, and that is Tigerlake, Rocketlake, DG1 and the max platforms. 01:01:50 You sure 12th gen is supported? 01:02:51 I've read forums posts where only a pci card is required if you're on a 12th gen Intel CPU/GPU. 01:03:08 sixpiece, lots of continuous i.e. rolling release..things are being updated all the time, not updates every patch tuesday/bi annually foobar 01:03:22 From looking at the driver C code, pretty sure. 01:03:44 waiting for the sunsolve tapes to arrive so you can patch the system...cause patches came in the mail... 01:04:19 Is that drm-devel-kmod? 01:04:20 skered, but I am looking at current, so it may not work for 13.x 01:05:03 Ok maybe 12 is supported. https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics/Intel-GPU-Matrix 01:05:04 Title: Graphics/Intel-GPU-Matrix - FreeBSD Wiki 01:05:43 That was last updated 2020 though... suspect. 01:18:54 very interesting rennj will try to box it into a method I guess somehow 01:19:07 you wanted devops info 01:19:11 ci/cd 01:19:32 CI/CD pipeline, forms the backbone of modern day DevOps operations. 01:19:44 all those pkg managers 01:19:51 android updates daily 01:19:58 im still not on 13 01:20:11 pip cargo npm 01:20:44 everything updates itself, youtube-dl -U, yt-dlp -U 01:21:34 back in the day, updates happened much slower, patch tuesday m$ shit, biannually if your lucky 01:22:42 new code, could have new bugs, how can you have a stable system if you always integrate new code 01:26:11 apache log4j 01:31:19 intel uhd graphics 770 is still not supported by drm-kmod, right? 01:36:12 better update openssl or if chose libressl you avoid the x.509 issue 01:36:41 CI/CD realtime...twitter/tweats vs other new sources 01:38:43 *if youre using openssl 3.0 already 01:39:24 amigassl when is the update! 01:39:40 they pushed a new rev of the 1.1.1 line today, too, does it not have the same fix? 01:41:10 i dont even need it on amiga since i have to proxy all web connection which headless chrome server generating clickable png files for websitea 01:43:00 https://github.com/tenox7/wrp all my old vm's nextstep,freebsd5.4,solaris2.5.1,beos use it to get modern web in old ass browsers 01:43:02 Title: GitHub - tenox7/wrp: Web Rendering Proxy: Use vintage, historical, legacy browsers on modern web 01:43:08 no need for https support 01:43:53 https://imgur.com/vUIwlkQ 01:43:54 Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet 01:44:19 https amigaworld.net from http only browser basically 01:45:00 clickable png image works on omniweb from 1993 01:54:44 my mistake 1995 not 1993 01:55:52 Is it normal to have empty /etc/fstab when root is on zfs? 01:59:17 yes 01:59:22 yeh zfs does its own mounting 01:59:35 you could have an entry for swap, though 01:59:48 that's the only thing in my /etc/fstab 02:00:04 https://github.com/oza/FreeBSD-8.0-dyntick/blob/master/sys/boot/common/boot.c 02:00:05 Title: FreeBSD-8.0-dyntick/boot.c at master · oza/FreeBSD-8.0-dyntick · GitHub 02:02:24 https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/boot/ 02:02:26 Title: Chapter 13. The FreeBSD Booting Process | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 02:04:59 hmm perfer something like this https://wiki.freebsd.org/MasonLoringBliss/ZFSandGELIbyHAND 02:05:00 Title: MasonLoringBliss/ZFSandGELIbyHAND - FreeBSD Wiki 02:06:05 kthnx 02:07:11 https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/zfs/ pretty straight forward also 02:07:12 Title: Chapter 20. The Z File System (ZFS) | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 02:07:35 all though the fstab issue i dont see in search 02:07:57 beadm and zfs rock 02:08:08 bectl or whatever the default is 02:08:30 beadm on solaris/openindiana so i prefer that name 02:15:56 is there an architectural reason that ZFS manages its own mounting or is that just inherited from the original solaris implementation? 02:16:14 volume manager and filesystem in one 02:16:30 veritas/ibm/hm was original 02:16:36 grrr hp 02:16:47 lvm and fs on linux 02:16:56 which lvm came from like hp/ibm 02:17:09 when linux got lvm and sgi xfs...yeah i remember 02:17:49 zfs does the CRC checksum..avoiding hardware failures like bad bios, or broken cable... 02:17:55 nothing but software 02:19:31 hmmm. interesting. i have reading to do about volume managers. thanks. 02:19:38 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed%E2%80%93Solomon_error_correction 02:19:39 Title: Reed–Solomon error correction - Wikipedia 02:22:40 https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Basic%20Concepts/Checksums.html 02:22:41 Title: Checksums and Their Use in ZFS — OpenZFS documentation 02:22:51 fletcher4 02:30:22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_corruption Cosmic rays cause most soft errors in DRAM 02:30:23 Title: Data corruption - Wikipedia 02:31:06 so my ECC ram can see 2 data errors and correct for 1, if memory serves 02:31:42 Some errors go unnoticed, without being detected by the disk firmware or the host operating system; these errors are known as silent data corruption. 02:31:48 and zfs detects those 02:40:26 SAS allows up to 65,535 devices through the use of expanders, while Parallel SCSI has a limit of 8 or 16 devices on a single channel. vs Fibre_Channel ~16777216 (224) /switched fabirc 02:40:50 2^24 ofr fiber channel/switched fabric 02:46:48 why would a pkg upgrade delete firefox? 02:46:57 i dont use it i installed it to test something 02:48:10 Hi all - is freebsd 13.1 vulnerable to the openSSL issues I've been reading about? 02:48:39 jb1277976: either package doesnt exist, or dependencies (package) have been updated or dont exist,so firefox cant 02:48:54 nichos: no version of freebsd uses 3.0.x in base 02:49:05 koobs: great, thank you! 02:49:15 nichos: but some ports may have or be using it, depending on how one has the DEFAULT_VERSIONS=ssl= specified 02:49:19 ok thanks koobs 02:49:27 nichos: the openssl-devel port (3.0.x) update is in progress 02:49:35 but if you dont use it, nothing to worry about (at this stage) 02:50:49 nichos: from our freebsd openssl port/package maintainer today: https://nitter.net/Sp1l/status/1587509906495660037 02:50:50 Title: Mastodon: brnrd⊙bn (@Sp1l): "FreeBSD base is NOT vulnerabile (has 1.1.1). OpenSSL-devel port is pending fixing ld: error: undefined symbol: __atomic_is_lock_free in providers/libfips.a"|nitter 02:51:25 grep pkg /var/log/messages perhaps. 02:51:39 info logged 02:52:09 Thanks koobs I'm new to bsd and didn't know where to look. I had a look at www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash and didn't see any mention there. I'll follow on mastodon. 02:52:50 nichos: yep, ideal state would be our secteam communicates on freebsd-security mailing list 02:53:19 https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-security/2022-October/subject.html 02:53:20 Title: freebsd-security⊙Fo 02:53:42 the other obvious place would be: https://www.freebsd.org/security/ 02:53:43 Title: FreeBSD Security Information | The FreeBSD Project 02:54:27 nichos: you'll see prior openssl security advisories here: https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/ 02:54:29 Title: FreeBSD Security Advisories | The FreeBSD Project 02:55:13 nichos: welcome to the community btw 02:55:35 nichos: if you werent aware, and its your kind of thing: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Discord too 02:55:36 Title: Discord - FreeBSD Wiki 02:55:59 and/or https://discord.gg/freebsd 02:56:01 Title: FreeBSD 02:57:28 thanks all! I'm only on irc and matrix, but joining the mailing list might be a good idea 02:58:30 roger that :) 03:05:08 If i don't want to deal with the complications of bhyve or whatever its called is virtualbox the next best thing? 03:06:36 jb1277976: youll find bhyve simpler 03:06:46 and better supported, than virtualbox with a freebsd host 03:06:52 hmm 03:06:52 thought plenty do do it 03:07:02 koobs: there a guide or gui for it? 03:07:46 a few i think 03:07:48 sysutils/vm-bhyve 03:07:58 looking now 03:08:02 deskutils/virt-manager 03:08:08 first is a console program 03:08:27 https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-gui-port-without-needing-jails-or-zfs.67675/ 03:08:28 i used virt-manager in linux i'm familar with it 03:08:28 Title: bhyve gui port - without needing jails or zfs | The FreeBSD Forums 03:08:29 more here 03:08:42 https://github.com/DaVieS007/bhyve-webadmin 03:08:43 Title: GitHub - DaVieS007/bhyve-webadmin: FreeBSD Bhyve Web Administration Software 03:08:44 web frontend 03:09:07 https://gitlab.com/runhyve 03:09:08 Title: runhyve · GitLab 03:09:12 probably more 03:09:39 Cool thanks 03:10:06 tidalscale SSI image using bhyve, 0 down time, you keep adding boxes to grow cpu/ram/disk resources 03:10:12 https://github.com/chyves/chyves 03:10:13 Title: GitHub - chyves/chyves: Resource manager for bhyve using ZFS. 03:10:16 need a wiki page for it apparently 03:10:22 :| 03:11:29 jb1277976: https://twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1587643484139589632 03:11:31 Title: FreeBSD Help on Twitter: "Any good FreeBSD bhyve frontends (TUI, GUI) out there? Recommendations please ..." / Twitter 03:11:35 we'll see what reco's we get from the community 03:11:52 https://nitter.net/FreeBSDHelp/status/1587643484139589632 03:11:54 Title: FreeBSD Help (@FreeBSDHelp): "Any good FreeBSD bhyve frontends (TUI, GUI) out there? Recommendations please ..."|nitter 03:11:56 to follow anonymously 03:12:28 ill bbl 03:16:22 I got a laptop with 2 usb ports and 1 usbc port. i have a dongle when i had a mac that connects the usbc and usb-a port right. i have a usbc ethernet dongle if i plug it in. i should be able to find the interface then dhclient interface right? 03:17:08 im just gonna try it :P 03:22:32 usbconfig show_ifdrv : List all connected USB devices and their attached interface drivers 03:26:09 Why is my ehternet slower then my wifi ? 03:26:24 is it because its a dongle? 03:27:25 unplugging this is sad 03:29:33 jb1277976, it might be a driver issue. 03:32:23 usb vs m.2 wifi? what bus is the wifi on 03:32:46 i had m.2 combo card in laptop pciE wifi and usb bluetooth 03:33:32 m.2 port can have pciE,usb, acpi devices 03:34:00 ahci device grrr 03:40:07 jb1277976, Some "re" (RealTek) device? 03:55:05 jb1277976, tail the log with "tail -f /var/log/messages", and see what driver it uses when you plugin the dongle. 04:17:58 sorry was afk, let me plug it in right now 04:19:14 https://dpaste.org/3UDjc 04:21:22 What's up with realtek everywhere? are they like major manufactors or something? 04:25:07 Or the *only* manufacturer which produces USB-Ethernet hardware which in turn have the drivers in FreeBSD of varying quality 04:28:13 Got it 04:36:01 Heya. Do we have a favourite configuration management tool in FreeBSD? I've used terraform on cloud services and things that need web configuration, but I'm looking for a way to centralize configuration of some standard servers, and control package installation/updates and configuration of postfix, dovecot, haproxy, BIND, etc on various servers. 04:36:15 Am I looking for an "orchestration system" like k8s? 04:38:47 Or just ansible/puppet/saltstack? Or should i just roll my own with shell scripts or makefiles? 04:42:21 yes 04:42:34 jb1277976, I would consider support for RTL8251/8153 in ure "beta". That's just my opinion, but there are some fairly new work that was put into FreeBSD 13 with the ure driver and several Realtek chipsets which haven't yielded positive results. This is not the same chipset, but just to give you an idea https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=253374 04:42:37 Title: 253374 – [if_ure] Add support for RTL8153B, RTL8156 and RTL8156B 04:43:14 epony: to all of them? :-) 04:49:59 yes.. but mostly to shell scripts with sed and value toggle out of defaults for normalisation of insane defaults 04:51:17 the "replacement" of files is a failed concept, has to be diffing and/or sed crafring semantic value.. as a minal realiable variant of what the change management tools do (none of them work for production reliable setups) 04:51:58 so all of your ideas could work, but not as real as semantic markup for configuration normalisation 04:52:48 redhat took the approach of "lensing" which are parser/distiller shims per configuration file which they call lensing in their "augeas" tool, which approaches the robust methodology 04:54:08 for your case it may be simplified to "sed"ition or copy over of the "tuned" config, or some "ansible" time waste ;-) 04:54:54 and no, no registry or other such things.. that concept does not work well 04:55:32 Right now, I manage individual servers directly, and manage configuration files largely with RCS. I am trying to evolve. As I see it, I could manage my various servers' various services centrally, and not worry about the diffs on the targets themselves. Is that wrong? I'm wondering whether to drive the process from ansible, puppet, make, etc. 04:55:54 ansible 04:56:25 I *would* like an easy way to take, say, all by web server configuration, and point it at a new server, so as to avoid having to do all that setup manually. 04:56:37 or your own micro-variant of that (ssh, rsync, scp, rdist etc) 04:57:08 So, bespoke service management solutions are still a thing? 04:57:20 the only real thing, that works 04:57:56 heh. There's so much I don't know, like if there is one tool to rule them all that I just haven't heard of. 04:58:01 ansible 04:58:18 distilling configuration files is not a novel idea 04:58:30 ansible is foolproof. 04:58:47 but each of these concepts has stale modules.. so you have to be able to "fix" it or adjust it 04:58:54 I'd estimate the peak times were five-six years ago, that's when even all the BigCos jumped on the ansible train 04:59:07 now there's ample supply of talent that knows how to handle it around 04:59:25 the problem with thse are, they are commercial products and the free tier is.. community self-help 04:59:53 Like the #freebsd channel on LC? :) 05:00:12 and their bootstrapping is unreliable / not solid enough, not system native etc.. but ansible is ssh/python/yml etc 05:00:40 if you need one i'd be happy to sell you a support contract 05:00:41 the unix tooling is distributing configuration files out of repos and template toolking processing 05:00:51 I used chef a long time ago. I will look at ansible, and will not shy away from doing it myself it that seems better/faster/easier. 05:01:07 right 05:01:20 m4 to rule them all 05:01:24 gh00p: if you have less than 20 servers to manage, look at ansible. if you have more than 20, look at saltstack 05:01:35 ansible it is then. 05:01:37 salt scales way better 05:01:55 until its message passing can't scale 05:02:00 But perhaps salt would be useful to *know* for future employment... 05:02:49 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promise_theory#History but it's agent based 05:02:50 Title: Promise theory - Wikipedia 05:04:07 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFEngine#Characteristics 05:04:08 Title: CFEngine - Wikipedia 05:06:01 epony: eh, seen salt used with 20k servers 05:06:03 scales fine 05:10:43 does not list the authoring team / organisation / business model / scale capacity but is a start in the implementation detail review and agent / push-pull mode https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_configuration_management_software#Basic_properties 05:10:44 Title: Comparison of open-source configuration management software - Wikipedia 05:16:21 https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=rdist&apropos=1 05:16:23 Title: Apropos rdist 05:22:53 it's one of those topics that are critical to system maintenance and management and nobody agrees with anybody: monitoring, backups, configuration, upgrades, repositories, filesystems ;-) 05:23:15 and then.. databases 05:23:45 yet all of these have system built-ins that are reliable and robust over decades 05:24:48 at least logging is somewhat "generically" the _same_ 05:24:59 I heard lots of servers are going virtualized to Dave cost. Can you imagine having 29 vms running all at the same time on one desktop.. shees 05:25:05 save* 05:26:02 "why you no..?" jails/containers OS level virtualisation.. if on one system 05:27:50 peak intelligence (overhead mastery): local cluster of SFF SBC armboards with proprietary orchestration that depends on the "internet" 05:34:11 Thinking of using Virt-manager. On Linux I installed qemu libvirt with systemd. Anyone have experience with FreeBSD with Virt-manager ? 05:40:43 libvirt can use bhyve, everything besides kvm and maybe xen is very much treated as second class hypervisors tho. 06:30:36 yes it works from BSD systems can connect and manage remote ones 06:35:47 llua: how is libvirt support for bhyve these days? 06:56:34 can I use a freebsd usb to boot into my hdd? 08:53:32 how can I restore the bootloader in a freebsd partition? bsdlabel doesn't work 09:01:31 if it's MBR or GPT the modern tool is gpart 09:01:38 if it's EFI it's a bit more involved 09:04:10 gpart bootcode, with the -b, -p, and -i switches and the appropriate files from /boot 09:04:22 and can use gpart show to see what exists 09:04:52 gpart says there is no label 09:05:15 if you just type "gpart show" it says that? 09:05:21 *bsdlabel 09:05:21 nothing else 09:05:37 gpart doesn't show that partition at all 09:06:02 it doesn't show like half of the partitions it seems 09:06:41 hmmm. maybe it's using slices inside the partitions like in the old days. not sure about that. may need someone else to help then 10:48:45 got a strange one today folks. i can set up a jail that will not communicate with anything except the host (nothing else on the network) when in vnet, but will do just fine on nat=1 (iocage) can anyone guide me further on this 13:11:46 hello gut morgen 15:40:16 hmm, https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=923704f7b8efefd988bedd88ab68540332efa3f8 says "This driver is for ESXi product which only supports x86/x64.", i thought esxi on arm is a reality now :) 15:40:17 Title: src - FreeBSD source tree 16:02:43 What's up with FreeBSD not being able to hibernate and suspend? 16:05:03 jb1277976: I'm not sure what you're talking about, but for me it's enough to "sysctl hw.acpi.lid_switch_state=S3" and close my laptop 16:05:17 Of course, if you want it to be permanent, you write it to /etc/sysctl.conf 16:05:32 https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume 16:05:33 Title: SuspendResume - FreeBSD Wiki 16:11:10 meka: let me do some research on that command 16:19:46 jb1277976: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/config/#_suspendresume 16:19:47 Title: Chapter 13. Configuration and Tuning | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 16:27:29 Thanks meka 16:28:28 There a way to list all hw options for any laptop/desktop wanna do research on them so I know how to get the most out of my laptop sus to hw will that list then all? 16:30:39 Man sysctl prob 16:30:50 jb1277976: you can get sysctl descriptions by running "sysctl -da | less" 16:31:11 To get all the values not descriptions "sysctl -a | less" 17:06:52 Thanks meka 17:07:13 i'm getting a panic when trying to import a pool that may have been corrupted by an issue with the storage virtualisation. i would rather not abandon the pool. is there anything further i can do to recover? i am using zpool import -fFnN $POOL 17:09:47 Where did you get those flags from? 17:12:03 just a sec 17:12:59 Also, if you get a panic you should grab debug symbols and read https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug/ 17:13:01 Title: Chapter 10. Kernel Debugging | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 17:13:39 started with -fN to import since it was online from a different system (different boot partition) and to not mount it ; it informed me that there would be data loss due to corruption ("last N seconds will be irreversibly discarded"), and to use -F to attempt recovery. then after the first panic i added -n 17:14:04 not sure if i will be able to debug like that since it's in a virtualisation environment that i don't control 17:15:11 i will take a look, for now i will need to migrate things over to a fail over system 17:19:52 I'm looking at the loader erratum here: https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-EN-22:27.loader.asc and it says the UEFI loader needs updating, yet if I run freebsd-update fetch & install, when I mount my EFI partition the bootloader is still dated Jan 2021. Is there somewhere I can get the bootloader and copy it over? Very weird freebsd-update doesn't do it's job here 17:24:17 My laptop reboots 2x gets a kernel panic then i can log into X can you see whats going on https://termbin.com/www5 didn't happen right there but something should pop out im guessing 17:25:58 vortexx: should be in /boot/loader.efi to be copied to EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.efi (assuming that's your platform) 17:30:37 jwmaag: thanks 17:58:53 Gentle bump, can anyone answer this? 17:58:54 Title: poudriere jail update from source: syscall.mk does not exist - Graham Perrin - org.freebsd.freebsd-current - MarkMail 18:07:09 grahamperrin: you seem to have a lot of other error messages in there, right after the start: awk: can't open file /usr/src/sys/sys/param.h 18:07:19 bad checkout? 18:18:47 yuripv: thanks, similar observations in #poudriere:libera.chat 18:45:47 linsysfs on /usr/src/sys (linsysfs, local) 18:45:50 – is the offender, but not specified in fstab. 18:47:34 is there an issue with python 3.9 pkg ? I am getting this error: ld-elf.so.1: /lib/libc.so.7: version FBSD_1.7 required by /usr/local/lib/libpython3.9.so.1.0 not found 19:59:20 grahamperrin: weird mount :) 20:47:03 There a defenetive guide on installing kde? 20:47:32 Lots of stuff online but not really for freebsd. the wiki and freebsd.org said there is a core team on it. but i really couldn't find anything 20:48:46 found this https://community.kde.org/FreeBSD/Setup#KDE_and_the_rest 20:48:47 Title: FreeBSD/Setup - KDE Community Wiki 20:51:14 jb1277976: reference for 'core team on it' ? 20:51:31 koobs: i found something the other day. nvm 20:51:34 :D 20:51:38 ok 20:51:58 koobs: isn't it early for you? 21:02:18 jb1277976: technically 21:02:23 kevans_: 8am now, ive had coffee 21:02:26 couldnt sleep past 6:30 21:02:29 dont ask 21:02:30 how are you ? 21:03:55 koobs: not bad, you? 21:04:09 whoops 21:04:16 jb1277976: 8am now, ive had coffee 21:04:20 :-p 21:04:21 kevans_: im lovely, you? 21:04:35 less confused than I was a minute ago 21:04:38 hows the farm? 21:04:46 wow i can't belive how the world has diffrent timezones and everyone just lives there life 21:04:50 s/farm/homestead 21:04:59 jb1277976: whats the alternative? 21:05:14 the swatch internet time 21:05:17 great, received a donation of a tractor from my step-father and got that fixed up, so now I have a snow plow / gravel scraper 21:05:23 kevans_: lovely!@ 21:05:43 yeah- how's life down under? 21:05:59 not too shabs 21:06:09 im going to miss the cool/cold night as we go into summer 21:06:13 might have to move to alaska 21:06:38 if i ran sudo pkg install --quiet --yes kde5 plasma5-sddm-kcm sddm how can i see the progress ? 21:09:37 jb1277976: what do you want to quiet but not progress? 21:09:41 koobs: hit up rew@ if you go :-p 21:09:48 who's rew? 21:09:59 koobs: following this guide https://community.kde.org/FreeBSD/Setup#KDE_and_the_rest 21:10:01 Title: FreeBSD/Setup - KDE Community Wiki 21:10:02 rob, used to go by fbynite here but I don't think I've seen him in a while 21:10:10 he's a pilot up there 21:10:13 never seen that login@ 21:10:14 itneresting 21:10:17 *takes note* 21:10:34 im going to need airdrops so 21:35:29 running kde for the first time since the 90's lol 21:35:32 very nice 21:36:42 Wow so much setup 0_o 21:50:05 Yeah, beautiful desktop, however I tend to get distracted when I try to set it up 21:59:08 I'm building a replacement for an old mail server and waffling between sendmail and postfix. The catch is, it needs to handle remapping address in the format tag⊙uec to username+tag⊙ec for local delivery using procmail to username. I know I can do this easily in sendmail, but is it possible in postfix? 22:05:12 https://twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1587927901760262145 22:05:13 Title: FreeBSD Help on Twitter: "The FreeBSD November DevSummit starts TOMORROW (Thursday November 3, PDT) with several half-day sessions including Wei-Hu from @Microsoft & @PouliotPeter from @AmpereComputing Tickets are free! Register now and retweet: https://t.co/ySX5IGAxi0 Schedule: https://t.co/SMp3s3JoSN" / Twitter 23:23:04 ok, bit of a nightmare jail problem. i have a freebsd instance running in an esxi vm. I can set up jails on this freebsd, and using the shared jails i can ping outside the host (anywhere), however, i need to use 23:23:36 vnet, which I can set up no problem, and the jail will ping only the host, and no further 23:23:44