04:13:52 <skered> AMD Ryzen 5 users?  Any issues?
06:11:55 <rtprio> skered: you have to hop one one foot between the beastie logo and when init starts or it will hang
06:11:58 <rtprio> what sort of question is that
06:15:45 <skered> Which one?  Left or right?
06:18:41 <f451> am i right in thinking incremental snapshots are impossible for an encrypted zfs?
06:21:38 <f451> or say if a zvol is made so a bhyve guest is zvol-backed. if it's say ubuntu guest and the guest "disk" is encrypted, are incremental snaps (of the zvol) impossible?
06:26:46 <Erhard> I believe the incremental backups are at the block level and work fine with encryption.
06:27:10 <Erhard> Snapshots that is...
06:27:35 <Erhard> I do them with TrueNAS between two servers
06:27:39 <Erhard> And they are encrypted.
06:32:49 <gnailz> quit
06:40:00 <f451> Erhard: really!
06:40:09 <f451> ok thats great
06:40:24 <f451> its unexpectedly great
07:09:11 <Remilia> skered: do VMs count?
07:09:33 * Remilia constantly runs 1 and occasionally runs 3-4 more FreeBSD VMs on a Ryzen 7 system
07:14:34 <skered> Remilia: Most likely not.  Just wondering if there's any oddities with newer AMD CPUs.
07:15:15 <Remilia> if you want oddities try new Intel CPUs with differently clocked cores
07:15:17 <skered> It seems there's a bit of 5 and 7 on nyc dmesg
07:15:26 <skered> So it seems alright.
07:15:32 <_xor> skered: I have an AMD Ryzen 5600.
07:16:47 <skered> _xor: And that's running FreeBSD? 13?
07:17:29 <_xor> Yes.
07:17:33 <_xor> 1301505
07:26:07 <skered> Cool.  Thanks.
07:31:00 <_xor> Anyone in here use nomad?
09:20:04 <Reinhilde> can usernames begin with numerals, despite the POSIX insistence to the contrary? it appears POSIX will accept this.
09:20:08 <Reinhilde> or
09:20:10 <Reinhilde> er
09:20:12 <Reinhilde> pw*
09:20:17 <Reinhilde> can usernames begin with numerals, despite the POSIX insistence to the contrary? it appears pw will accept this.
09:20:28 <Reinhilde> my brain doesn't want to go in gear today.
09:55:30 <yuripv> passwd(5) does not seem to say anything about restricting the starting character other than it being not "-"
09:56:23 <yuripv> posix seems to say the same?
10:07:04 <angry_vincent> is there way to find out what exact filesystem is on usb disk? 2048  976771087    1  linux-data  (466G) in gpart. but i forgot what filesystem is there.
10:07:21 <yuripv> file -s /dev/...
10:07:27 <yuripv> or fstyp
10:08:04 <angry_vincent> thx!
10:08:10 <angry_vincent> linux rev 1.0 ext2
10:12:05 <angry_vincent> now need to wipe it and use zfs :)
15:14:06 <grahamperrin> _xor: occasionally, yes, for test/support purposes (I'm not properly an end user of NomadBSD)
15:30:37 <sereg> A question for anyone using bhyve for graphical guests. How to make bhyve keep the mouse cursor from leaving the guest until a key combo is pressed ?
15:36:47 <eoli3n> let's ask a weird question
15:37:17 <eoli3n> if I ask directly you will kill me :)
15:37:21 <eoli3n> let's give context first
15:37:47 <eoli3n> I bought a VPS from contabo, with freebsd images, but the default install isn't a zfs root
15:37:57 * grahamperrin kills eoli3n for procrastinating longer than five seconds
15:38:12 <eoli3n> contabo allows to reinstall manually from iso, but adding the iso costs 1,2$ per month
15:38:15 <grahamperrin> ;-)
15:38:34 <eoli3n> the only rescue iso i have are linux ones
15:38:35 <eoli3n> so
15:38:43 <eoli3n> is there a way to install freebsd from linux
15:38:45 <eoli3n> ?
15:40:30 <CrtxReavr> Can't boot off a FreeBSD ISO?
15:40:31 <eoli3n> i mean by that, - get the rootfs to unarchive it on the right zfs dataset, put the bootloader in the right place, manually put the efi file
15:40:39 <eoli3n> CrtxReavr: nop
15:40:43 <eoli3n> only linux
15:40:51 <eoli3n> i can boot a freebsd iso, but then i need to pay
15:40:54 <eoli3n> i don't want to pay
15:41:31 <CrtxReavr> Familiar with this project?: https://www.daemonology.net/depenguinator/
15:41:32 <VimDiesel> Title: Depenguinator
15:42:04 <eoli3n> nop, reading
15:42:39 <CrtxReavr> Basically, program runs in linux, creates a FreeBSD boot/install volume, which you reboot to.
15:43:01 <CrtxReavr> So yeah. . . you can install FreeBSD from linux. . . sorta.
15:43:27 <eoli3n> that's exactly what i need, i'm trying to understand how it works
15:43:35 <eoli3n> is that working with 13.1 ?
15:43:40 <grahamperrin> CrtxReavr: thanks for clearing my memory block, I had it bookmarked but would never have remembered the name (or keywords)
15:43:57 <CrtxReavr> I've done it as a test and it worked. . . never did it "for real."
15:44:20 <eoli3n> CrtxReavr: you rock, thanks
15:44:25 <CrtxReavr> Colin Percival (the author of that tool) is insanely smart.
15:45:06 <CrtxReavr> You might need to start with a crazy old version of FreeBSD.
15:45:34 <CrtxReavr> https://www.daemonology.net/blog/2008-01-29-depenguinator-2.0.html
15:45:35 <VimDiesel> Title: The Depenguinator, version 2.0
15:45:39 <CrtxReavr> Actually. . . . start with that page.
15:45:45 <CrtxReavr> Works with FreeBSD 7.
15:46:04 <eoli3n> ok
15:46:13 <arielmt> https://github.com/allanjude/depenguinator
15:46:14 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - allanjude/depenguinator: Use depenguinator 3.x to overwrite a remote linux server with a FreeBSD installer
15:46:41 <arielmt> "##Warning: Still contains sharp edges, is not really for automated use. It is very likely that using this tool without understanding it will leave your server in an unbootable state."
15:46:55 <eoli3n> ahahah
15:46:57 <eoli3n> more and more
15:47:01 <eoli3n> where is the v4.0 ?
15:47:02 <eoli3n> :D
15:48:40 <CrtxReavr> At least one step in that process came from my interactions with Colin while testing it.
15:49:01 <eoli3n> so let's try with the AllanJude version first in a VM
16:17:30 <eoli3n> hey but here, I want to install FreeBSD from FreeBSD
16:17:34 <eoli3n> it should be even simpler
16:17:42 <eoli3n> i have a freebsd install running
16:17:53 <eoli3n> just that i can't boot rescue to an iso
16:18:00 <eoli3n> a freebsd one i mean
17:03:54 <rtprio> if freebsd is booting why do you want to use a rescue iso?
17:13:50 <eoli3n> rtprio: backlog
17:14:05 <eoli3n> maybe i forgot to tell here
17:14:12 <eoli3n> because the default install in not zfs rooted
17:14:17 <eoli3n> "Change "7.0-RC1" to the appropriate release name"
17:14:24 <eoli3n> how to get the right release name string ?
17:14:46 <eoli3n> for 13.1
17:15:26 <PredatorONormies> Bruh
17:15:34 <PredatorONormies> after the last update - MPV got even more broken
17:15:54 <PredatorONormies> now if you had loop forever turned on - after you SHIFT+Q and then come back - the loop is turned OFF
17:16:18 <PredatorONormies> I mean, really - do the maintainers even test if things broke for FreeBSD (assuming it's not MPV dev's fault)?
17:16:44 <rtprio> that assumes that maintainers have infinite time
17:16:52 <rtprio> which they don't, as they're volenteers
17:21:27 <PredatorONormies> I suppose you're correct (trying to imagine myself doing it)
17:21:43 <rtprio> PredatorONormies: also, did you consider that that's a bug or feature that the MPV authors introduced ?
17:21:56 <PredatorONormies> sooo, say - does anyone notice bug reports if they reported in here?
17:22:00 <PredatorONormies> as opposed to e-mail
17:22:17 <PredatorONormies> rtprio, it's definitely a bug - it wasn't like this for years
17:22:32 <PredatorONormies> I see no good in it so that it would be a feature
17:22:59 <rtprio> nope, file it; irc is ephemeral
17:23:39 <eoli3n> AllanJude: https://0x0.st/oxvJ.txt
17:25:46 <eoli3n> on Debian 11
17:26:06 <rtprio> so you're missing a c compiler and other things lit looks like
17:26:33 <rtprio> how much memory does this vps have? i can't imagine zfs is much of a gain here.
17:27:17 <eoli3n> yep just installed cc-tool
17:27:26 <eoli3n> but missing SHILLY flags line, are strange too
17:27:33 <eoli3n> and the "cannot unlink" error too
17:27:48 <eoli3n> cannot stat 'mfs/usr/lib/libgnuregex*': No such file or directory
17:27:48 <eoli3n> too
17:28:37 <eoli3n> lets install gcc instead of cc
17:31:00 <eoli3n> with gcc it fails to compile
17:31:28 <rtprio> the readme did say it had some rough edges
17:32:39 <eoli3n> yep and ?
17:32:41 <eoli3n> https://0x0.st/oxvE.txt
17:33:30 <rtprio> and that means you're going to have to figure it out yourself if it's important to you
17:34:12 <eoli3n> how do you know that this is the meaning ?
17:35:31 <rtprio> when was the last commit to that repo?
17:37:09 <eoli3n> and ?
17:37:21 <eoli3n> are you trying to help ?
17:37:47 <eoli3n> not sure that it is the right way too, but thanks for trying ;)
17:37:54 <eoli3n> s/too/To
17:42:37 <eoli3n> ok so for first errors, it seems that I'm not using bsdtar
17:49:25 <oZZ> Does anyone run a desktop installation on a 11th gen intel cpu without an additional graphics card?
18:11:11 <PredatorONormies> > <rtprio> nope, file it; irc is ephemeral < I don't feel like it xD
18:13:08 <eoli3n> maybe i could now try this : https://github.com/kusumi/makefs
18:13:10 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - kusumi/makefs: Create a file system image from a directory tree
18:13:16 <eoli3n> instead of netbsd makefs from 2008...
18:35:47 <eoli3n> apt install makefs , and it worked
18:35:49 <eoli3n> BUT
18:36:02 <eoli3n> my vps debian default install, doesn't use a swap partition
18:36:05 <eoli3n> :')
19:26:41 <eoli3n> where does freebsd installer put his logs ?
20:14:24 <skered> his?
21:05:41 <V_PauAmma_V> eoli3n, I'm not sure it has any. Remember that writing to the install medium isn't always possible, and that until late in the install, there's nowhere else to write, because there's no file system on the installation target storage device.
21:07:18 <yjftsjthsd3> I'm trying to add FreeBSD to a multiboot system. I've got a root FS untarred in a zpool, and extracted the contents of what FreeBSD usually places at /boot into /boot/freebsd13. This apparently breaks a lot of things:) I'm currently chaining from GRUB2 to loader(8) (or zfsloader, actually) and it looks like I can probably override enough settings
21:07:19 <yjftsjthsd3> in loader.conf to make that work. However, I'm starting to wonder if it would be less work to have GRUB load FreeBSD's kernel directly. The caveat there is that I'm not sure what all variables/settings need to be passed to the kernel (which is why I was trying to use loader).  In short, I'm here to ask if anyone can advise configuring loader(8) vs
21:07:19 <yjftsjthsd3> having GRUB directly boot the kernel, or for that matter if there's a better way to do all of this.
21:07:57 <yjftsjthsd3> I've used FreeBSD before but I never got as far down as mucking with the boot process, so any advice is welcome:)
22:07:41 <debdrup> Finally got that server kicked the right place to make it behave.
22:10:23 <rwp> Be sure to make a note of that spot for the future next time.
22:21:02 <koobs> morning
23:00:47 <wez> Mornin'
23:01:09 <wez> Looks like you are near my timezone koobs!  Welcome to near +11:00 UTC!
23:07:15 <debdrup> Time is realtive, lunchtime doubly so? ;)
23:07:56 <AlexC> midnight here, half of the shift over just yet
23:07:59 <AlexC> fekk
23:09:35 <koobs> wez: yay :)
23:32:11 <rwp> I always assume it is the IRC convention of UGT Universal Greeting Time.
23:32:13 <rwp> It is morning when people join and it is night when people leave.  Regardless of actual timezone.
23:33:40 <koobs> rwp: how bout night owls?
23:35:24 <rwp> I am also a night owl.  But on the Internet no one knows you are an owl. :-)
23:35:29 <rwp> Reference: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ugt
23:35:30 <VimDiesel> Title: Urban Dictionary: ugt
23:36:51 <rwp> Note that I am neither advocating for or against it.  Just that when I hear a good morning on IRC that I always assume it.
23:39:53 <koobs> rwp: yah me too
23:53:19 <rtprio> yjftsjthsd3: no one does things the easy way anymore, eh
23:53:42 <rtprio> i've never heard of using grub to load freebsd
23:56:55 <rwp> For me when I did multiboot I always found it sub-optimal.  Because I was always in the wrong OS and needed to reboot.
23:57:19 <rwp> These days if I need that I find virtualized machines to be a much better solution.