00:00:01 <cpet> I see a few AX201 with different PCIID's
00:20:00 <andrewrk> I'm looking to obtain a build of freebsd libc headers for every target. how might I accomplish this?
00:21:41 <cpet> they all share some code
00:21:54 <andrewrk> I'm aware
00:21:55 <cpet> and I think libc is one of them so /usr/include/* should be what you need
00:22:43 <andrewrk> there are per-arch generated files such as machine/_types.h
00:23:45 <cpet> fetch the code and do a manually do it
00:24:02 <andrewrk> manually do what?
00:24:25 <Reinhilde> dunno
00:24:46 <cpet> read?
00:25:25 <Erhard> andrewrk: What is your actual usage for this " build of freebsd libc headers for every target"   ??
00:25:50 <Erhard> Might help people help you
00:26:02 <andrewrk> Erhard, I'm looking into adding support into the zig compiler for targeting freebsd libc when cross compiling
00:26:40 <Erhard> So could you not just git the source and compile it?
00:27:16 <cpet> cd /usr/src ; vim Makefile
00:27:23 <cpet> tell you how to do it hence my "read"
00:27:23 <Erhard> zig handles multiple languages and targets like clang or gcc ? I know nothing about it
00:27:36 <Erhard> YEah, basically, cpet
00:28:22 <cpet> and there a reason why build systems are the arch to be built for
00:28:28 <cpet> as cross compiling is kind of a pain
00:28:41 <Erhard> https://ziglang.org/ interesting... kind of
00:28:42 <VimDiesel> Title: Home ⚡ Zig Programming Language
00:29:15 <Erhard> Seems like every three or four years something great like that comes along. And rarely ever gets used.
00:29:26 <Erhard> Of course this could be different, especially if you contribute to it
00:29:51 <cpet> POSIX has a common set of includes and the compile links to libc
00:30:02 <cpet> so not really sure what he needs the includes for each arch
00:30:02 <andrewrk> Erhard, so you are suggesting to perform the build on each architecture? or perhaps there is a handy way to cross compile FreeBSD for any target from the x86_64 host?
00:30:22 <cpet> hrm told you how
00:30:26 <Erhard> I htink there is, but I no expert on cross compiling.
00:30:33 <cpet> well that fixed that
00:30:45 <Erhard> But step one would be to get it working on x86 or whatever your platform of choice is.
00:31:21 <andrewrk> nah that's baby stuff. I need a 13.1 build for every supported arch, and a 12.3 build for every supported arch
00:31:35 <Erhard> LOL. Then fire up some VMs
00:31:51 <andrewrk> haha well that's the worst case scenario. I haven't given up there being a better way yet :)
00:32:00 <cpet> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/Makefile
00:32:01 <VimDiesel> Title: Makefile - src - FreeBSD source tree
00:32:08 <cpet> # toolchains          - Build a toolchain for all world and kernel targets.
00:32:11 <cpet> seriosuly yo ?
00:32:18 <Erhard> Listen to cpet
00:32:29 <cpet> like I said "read"
00:32:33 <Erhard> It should all be common from make, no?
00:32:48 <cpet> we aren;t going to hold your hand to get yet another compiler to work if you cant do the bare minimum of getting headers for arch
00:32:49 <andrewrk> thanks cpet. I haven't been ignoring your advice, just waiting for git: Resolving deltas:  78% (305096/387727)
00:32:55 <Erhard> Maybe switch everything to GNU autoconf while you are at it
00:32:58 * Erhard ducks
00:33:14 <cpet> autotools you only need 1 thing m4
00:33:32 <cpet> mason and all the other perl python crtap you need a bnunch of py or p5
00:33:35 <Erhard> Yeah, I set a bunch of project up to use it years ago, actually pretty slick.
00:33:38 <cpet> kind of defeats the purpose
00:34:15 <cpet> I tried to port bitchx to cmake
00:34:16 <cpet> :P
00:34:19 <andrewrk> what I will do is completely ignore freebsd's build system, then hard code the logic in an imperative manner, just as I have already done for musl, mingw-w64, and glibc
00:34:29 <Erhard> LOL. I never really got cmake.
00:34:53 <Erhard> I mean, I guess I never used it much, and it was a headache because sometimes it was hard to install certain places.
00:35:14 <cpet> cmake mason
00:35:30 <cpet> think I tried to port a project that had 3 different compiling tools included
00:35:34 <cpet> pick one and use it
00:36:18 <Erhard> I don't know which mason you are referring to.
00:36:26 <Erhard> https://www.openhub.net/p/mason ?
00:36:27 <VimDiesel> Title: The Mason Open Source Project on Open Hub
00:36:36 <cpet> meson*
00:36:37 <cpet> :)
00:36:57 <Erhard> https://www.opensourceagenda.com/projects/meson
00:36:58 <Erhard> Ah
00:36:58 <VimDiesel> Title: Meson - Open Source Agenda
00:37:03 <Erhard> Never tried it
00:37:30 * mason twitches repeatedly.
00:37:51 * cpet hands mason a NOS
00:38:07 <Erhard> New Old Stock
00:38:50 <cpet> not everyone wants to deal with autotools
00:39:13 <andrewrk> ugh the Makefile is not compatible with gnu make
00:39:18 <Erhard> No doubt. Not everyone wants to deal with python
00:39:33 <cpet> well if you compare m4 to python :)
00:39:39 <Erhard> Toche
00:39:47 <cpet> python is "easier"
00:39:57 <Erhard> touche even
00:40:00 <Erhard> YEah
00:40:05 <Erhard> M4 is horrid
00:40:16 <cpet> but then again bsd make Makefiles are simple to read and understand
00:40:37 <Erhard> Handwritten makefiles work decently for smaller stuff
00:40:53 <Erhard> Though some system is nice to test for libs, etc.
00:41:37 <cpet> when youre forced to use something
00:41:44 <cpet> I hated git but now I can deal with it ;P
00:41:46 <Erhard> It's much nicer to see "libtwitter not found" than it is to get "tweet() undeclared in this context. compilation failed"
00:42:26 <Erhard> Yeah, I still am no git master.
00:42:31 <Erhard> Was pretty decent with cvs
00:43:17 <Erhard> I don't code enough to need and RCS at this point. Kinda wish I did, but not my main thing anymore
00:43:55 <dmgk> andrewrk: are you trying to build the base system or just need the headers? if latter, then you could just pull base.txz from e.g. https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/12.3-RELEASE/ and get /usr/include from it
00:43:57 <VimDiesel> Title: Index of /releases/amd64/12.3-RELEASE/
00:44:44 <andrewrk> dmgk, aha, thank you! I tried doing that with https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/ but the images didn't have any .h files. where did you get that other link just now?
00:44:45 <VimDiesel> Title: Index of /releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/
00:45:59 <dmgk> andrewrk: https://download.freebsd.org/releases/ has all supported archs
00:46:01 <VimDiesel> Title: Index of /releases/
00:46:11 <andrewrk> thanks!
00:47:15 <andrewrk> why does the powerpc one have a 13.1-RELEASE/ folder, but then also has subfolders, e.g. powerpc64/ that also have 13.1-RELEASE/ folders?
00:47:58 <dmgk> probably just symlinks
00:48:13 <andrewrk> gotcha
00:54:20 <koobs> morning
00:55:26 <andrewrk> dmgk, hmm is there one for armv6 and armv7?
00:59:37 <dmgk> there are no releases for arm6 and arm7, but you could grab snapshot tarballs from the ci, like https://artifact.ci.freebsd.org/snapshot/12.3-STABLE/00d2b8d5d8afa6bc45ab0885d083d6f9da2e6024/arm/
00:59:38 <VimDiesel> Title: Index of /snapshot/12.3-STABLE/00d2b8d5d8afa6bc45ab0885d083d6f9da2e6024/arm/
01:00:32 <dmgk> this one seems to be the latest, https://artifact.ci.freebsd.org/snapshot/12.3-STABLE/6a9031c5e2ba5435aa4ea08ee05c351d5bef035d/arm/?C=M&O=D
01:00:34 <VimDiesel> Title: Index of /snapshot/12.3-STABLE/6a9031c5e2ba5435aa4ea08ee05c351d5bef035d/arm/
01:04:20 <andrewrk> thanks!
01:04:32 <dmgk> np
07:52:42 <Grell> Hello friends
08:21:22 <pesdauskes> hi
10:16:42 <Midjak> using git in freebsd is a great idea. I don't know since when it is but that's very cool
10:17:20 <Reinhilde> git is gpl'd.
10:31:24 <F0ma> hi
10:31:48 <F0ma> anyone updated xrdp lately and have issues about it ?
10:36:05 <parv> Better would be just ask about the issue instead of who had the issue
10:40:32 <F0ma> ok :)
10:40:53 <F0ma> have this error on xrdp-sesman.log
10:41:21 <F0ma> There is no X server active on display 14
10:41:58 <F0ma>  A fatal error has occurred attempting to start the window manager on display 14, aborting connection
11:45:57 <vxwarlock> how to use  ip command  instead of ifconfig | freebsd
11:46:33 <Reinhilde> you don't :)
11:47:04 <Reinhilde> ifconfig is the way and the light. i miss it when I have to use L*n*x.
11:51:45 <vxwarlock> Reinhilde > oh Thanks for answer
11:54:56 <Midjak> Hey ! I am trying to upgrade freebsd 13.1 to CURRENT. At the last step 'etcupdate -B' fails with 'Conflicts remain from previous update, aborting'
12:17:40 <Midjak> koobs, I've just upgrade freebsd to current it works now
12:35:40 <tercaL> I'd like to set a folder so that my local (samba) users could add files inside it, but not list contents of that folder. With that, I want to achieve everyone can put their files there but never see what's inside there.
12:35:44 <tercaL> Is this possible with chmod?
12:44:01 <Midjak> Reinhilde, I don't know if ti's a good thing, but git is easier to use
12:44:32 <Reinhilde> for freebsd it is not good
12:44:42 <tercaL> I guess I solved it now with chmod 733 foldername
12:46:15 <Midjak> so why git ?
12:48:24 <Midjak> there is no alternatives proposed in the guide. git is not used in the BSD code but as a tool so I am not sure there is incompatibilities with GPL, no ?
13:02:10 <vxwarlock> send ip sendto : no buffer space available > I have trouble in hping3 | vmware on freebsd 13 | do you have any solution suggestions?
13:03:18 <Reinhilde> ???????
13:07:18 <vxwarlock> Reinhilde : I'm using hping on freebsd 13.1. but > I get the error send_ip sendto : no buffer space available.
20:27:54 <weust> I am trying to setup linuxulator but when I run debootstrap I get the following message using both doas under my account, or root: "/usr/local/sbin/debootstrap: Permission denied." I can't seem to figure out what the issue is. permissions on the file are fine.
20:28:09 <weust> Creating /compat/ubuntu doesn't help either
20:28:41 <weust> what could I be missing?
20:29:03 <weust> I am on 13.1-RELEASE-p2
20:37:43 <weust> I am reading some old comments online about encrypted drives. I am using ZFS with GELI on this laptop...
22:31:32 <rtprio> tercaL: write only should be possible with samba
23:10:44 <darwin> anyone use BitlBee on Slackware 15+current and figured out if something needs fixing?
23:14:45 <weust> Slackware? Think you got the wrong channel there?
23:54:46 <koobs> Midjak: lovely!