01:12:52 <V_PauAmma_V> All Hardware Sucks. All Software Sucks.</asr>
01:14:05 <sereg> yes
04:02:43 <nacelle> you cant avoid the computer vortex...
04:03:30 <smetano> i
06:48:54 <psionic> is FreeBSD opens serial console by default if I download the PI image?
06:49:22 <psionic> this shit pi zero w dont even have HDMI I don't have that crappy plug in lcd for the gpio so won't see shit
08:00:10 <nacelle> psionic: pi zero w has mini hdmi
09:24:54 <gnathat> Did I register?
11:47:11 <grahamperrin> gnathat: I see you
11:51:56 <Remilia> I think they should switch from mini HDMI to mini DP, mini DP is extremely common unlike mini HDMI
11:52:25 <gnathat> How do I change the tty-console colors? Can I do that?
11:56:00 <Remilia> what's 'tty-console'?
11:57:39 <gnathat> When you log into your system it should just be the CLI. Unless you have automatic X start in your config
11:58:26 <Remilia> after you log in (locally) you get shell
11:58:41 <Remilia> the virtual TTY itself is already running
11:59:21 <Remilia> init spawns a getty process for each virtual console
11:59:55 <parv> If using syscons, one way is to set the colors in kernel configuration & compile+install it; there may be loader variables (see manual page for "syscons(4)" & "loader.conf(5)") to set there instead of needing to compile🤷‍♂️
12:00:27 <Remilia> parv: aye, but syscons is not technically a TTY
12:01:24 <parv> Remilia, In the context gnathat just wants to change the colors shown.
12:01:34 <Remilia> you have three different points at which you can attempt to change default colours, the kernel configuration for syscons or vt; the terminal emulator; the shell
12:01:59 <Remilia> if using Intel video driver you can even redefine the entire colour set with RGB tuples
12:02:15 <gnathat> I found it https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/vt-console-change-colors-theme.53855/
12:02:16 <VimDiesel> Title: Solved - vt console change colors theme | The FreeBSD Forums
12:03:13 <gnathat> @VimDiesel, because I got to it first I know have to absorb you as per Highlander rules.
12:03:28 <Remilia> talking to the bot?
12:03:33 <grahamperrin> LOL
12:03:38 <gnathat> You can no longer FreeBSD, back to MacOS or Windows
12:04:14 <Remilia> gnathat: keep in mind that this will override the vt colour set everywhere for every user
12:05:03 <gnathat> @Remilia, I am the only user. As per highlander.
12:05:25 <Remilia> I have no idea what it means other than I guess you live in Scotland
12:06:08 <gnathat>  "There can be only one"
12:07:09 <parv> ⚡💀⚔
12:11:01 <parv> ... uh read that in reverse order
14:41:40 <grahamperrin> I assume that the CI- prefix at <https://download.freebsd.org/snapshots/> signifies continuous integration, can anyone confirm?
14:41:41 <VimDiesel> Title: Index of /snapshots/
14:43:36 <grahamperrin> In this context: not cloud image, not cloud-init … true?
15:46:15 <V_PauAmma_V> grahamperrin, I believe so. IIRC, there was something about CI in a status report this year or 2021 GY.
16:33:16 <psionic> is the piW wifi works or still doesnt?
16:33:31 <psionic> I seriously dont want to spend 5 mins trying to find it out :D
16:33:45 <psionic> dont have usb hub for it either no idea how to plug a keyboard in otherwise
16:43:09 <parv> What is "piW"?
16:48:16 <parv> ( In any case it has been 10+ minutes 😏)
16:59:19 <psionic> pi zero W
16:59:47 <psionic> and update the god damn manual if the fucking shit is supported cost the table says nothing and bunch of ? ? ? ? for pi hardware no way nobody tested those
17:23:53 <nacelle> calm down, its just a piece of hardware
18:41:02 <eoli3n> Hi
18:41:08 <eoli3n> is there any host service like https://openbsd.amsterdam/
18:41:09 <VimDiesel> Title: OpenBSD Amsterdam
18:41:11 <eoli3n> but with freebsd ?
18:54:37 <eoli3n> did you know that "FreeBSD - another lightweight Linux distribution approaching 30 years in development with incredible reliability and uncomplicated licensing."
18:54:42 <eoli3n> from https://www.atlantic.net/vps-hosting/linux-vps-hosting/
18:54:43 <VimDiesel> Title: Linux VPS Hosting | High-Performance, Affordable Linux Cloud Servers
18:54:45 <eoli3n> :)
18:54:56 <eoli3n> welcome to the Linux world Freebsd
19:12:08 <grahamperrin> At least they didn't make the mistake that was previously prominent at the FreeBSD home page (more than thirty)
19:21:01 <grahamperrin> Oh, that's still there, which is interesting, because FreeBSD has not yet celebrated its thirtieth anniversary. At least it's forward-looking :-)
19:41:15 <V_PauAmma_V> *grimace* I'm not sure what bothers me more in that, "lightweight" or "Linux".
20:40:18 <Erhard_> eoli3n: Many VPS hosters offer FreeBSD: Kamatera and Contabo do. Hosthatch, and I think Linode miight even.
20:58:42 <koobs> morning
20:59:05 <koobs> eoli3n: https://twitter.com/freebsdhelp/lists/freebsd-services
20:59:10 <VimDiesel> Title: @FreeBSDHelp/FreeBSD Services / Twitter
21:08:42 <sereg> koobs: morning
21:09:02 <koobs> sereg: o/~
21:09:04 <koobs> how are you ?
21:10:04 <sereg> excited, finally jumped over to the freebsd side
21:10:09 <sereg> yourself?
21:10:15 <koobs> not too bad
21:10:19 <koobs> welcome to the community
21:10:27 <koobs> what motivated/promoted pulling the trigger?
21:11:25 <sereg> silly reasons (linux kernel 6.0)
21:11:37 <sereg> had been wanting to for a while but that tipped me over
21:11:45 <koobs> ah
21:12:03 <koobs> anything specifically in 6.0+ ?
21:12:36 <sereg> wanna see how rust in the kernel goes before hopping on
21:13:13 <koobs> ah
21:13:45 <koobs> sereg: if youre interested in those kinds of things, for what its worth: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Rust#Rust_in_the_FreeBSD_Kernel
21:13:47 <VimDiesel> Title: Rust - FreeBSD Wiki
21:15:33 <sereg> ah thank you
21:18:55 <koobs> welcome
21:40:34 * parv was puzzled to see Python async package "trio" in "net/trio" instead of "devel/trio" or anything more "obvious" (for some definition). Whatever for "net" is any directory just like "devel" 
21:51:54 <koobs> parv: consider devel doesnt exist
21:52:42 <parv> Correction, "net/trio" should have been "net/py-trio"
21:53:16 <koobs> mm
21:53:32 <koobs> - Remove devel/py-trio for being a duplicate of net/py-trio added a few days ago
21:53:34 <koobs> Jul 2020
21:53:46 <parv> Ha!
21:53:47 <koobs> https://www.freshports.org/net/py-trio
21:53:48 <VimDiesel> Title: FreshPorts -- net/py-trio: Library for async concurrency and I/O
21:53:51 <koobs> last update sept 2022
21:54:03 <koobs> net trio doesnt exist (freshports?)
21:55:28 <parv> koobs, No I had mistyped "net/py-trio"
21:55:40 <koobs> oh
21:55:55 <koobs> so whats is/was the issue?
21:56:12 <koobs> you were puzzled by py-trio in 'net' instead of 'devel' ?
21:56:17 <parv> Just that, yes
21:56:20 <koobs> oh
21:56:28 <koobs> 'everything is a development library'
21:56:32 <koobs> therefore nothing is
21:56:36 <koobs> kinda thing (gist)
21:56:43 <parv> Yeah, yup
22:21:50 <parv> Seems there is a undeclared dependency on "exceptiongroup" in trio port; error: https://termbin.com/q553 . Short version: install "net/py-trio"; then see if "ModuleNotFoundError" is produced by: python3.10 -mtrio -c ''
22:24:35 <AmyMalik> Why no sbrk on newer architectures?
22:48:39 <Erhard_> I am trying to format a drive with existing data on it. The drive is not mounted as far as I can tell. I had been used as swap due to a naming change at startup, but I swapoff -a and it is notlonger being used in swapctl -l.. However, when I try gpart destroy ada0 I get device busy
22:48:46 <Erhard_> Where else should I be looking?
22:49:28 <Erhard_> I guess I will comment it out of fstab and reboot
22:49:38 <Erhard_> But I am sure there is some better method.
22:51:21 <Erhard> Oh... Maybe it was just destroy vs. delete fist for gpart...
22:52:14 <rwp> I was about to guess the encrypted swap layer?  swap.eli?  Perhaps in a mirror?
22:52:22 <Erhard> It was eli...
22:52:33 <Erhard> But... The issue was I cannot destroy until I delete.
22:52:41 <Erhard> That seems to have worked. Or maybe it was the rboot ;-)
22:53:25 <Erhard> So If I want this new drive zfs should I still use GPT?
22:54:15 <Erhard> Oh, no need.
22:54:17 <Erhard> Nice.
22:54:19 <rwp> I probably would have suggested a "geli status" and "geli list" to see if it was encrypted swap.
22:54:33 <rwp> Yes.  For ZFS you should definitely use GPT.
22:54:38 <Erhard> I see. Like that could have still been open even after swapoff -a  ?
22:55:10 <Erhard> zpool create ztank /dev/ada0
22:55:18 <Erhard> Seems to have worked without first doing aything with gpart
22:55:24 <Erhard> After dedtroying.
22:55:26 <Erhard> Is this bad?
22:55:27 <rwp> I think so.  Yes.  Because that just removed the swap from your kernel.  But the encryption layer from disk device swap to encrypted swap.eli would still be active.
22:55:30 <Erhard> destroying
22:55:38 <Erhard> I see. Interesting
22:57:31 <Erhard> OK. So, no I don't nee to gpart before creating the zpool
22:57:35 <rwp> Hmm...  You created a zpool on /dev/ada0?  Shouldn't that have been /dev/ada0p1 or another of the partitions?
22:57:50 <Erhard> I don't know. WOuld it matter?
22:58:14 <Erhard> I don't have a lot of experience manually creating zfs
22:58:31 <Erhard> It seems to work. But I could try again on a  partition
22:58:32 <rwp> Hopefully one of the experienced hands will jump in.  I am rather new to it myself.
22:58:57 <rwp> I have been doing root-on-zfs.  Which definitely needs partitions because there are other things needed such as the boot partition.
22:59:12 <rwp> But if this is a data only disk then I think it is okay to just use the entire disk.
22:59:25 <rwp> Though it might be considered unconventional.  And I don't know what problems this creates or avoids.
22:59:29 <mason> Erhard: You can use the raw disk but partitions let you do things like use GPT labels, which are nice.
22:59:35 <Erhard> I'd like to be able to clone the existing boot disk to this one.
22:59:48 <Erhard> Ah, yeah, the labels are very nice.
23:00:03 <Erhard> Trying to find some info on how to make this new disk bootable and clone the xisting boot disk to it
23:00:22 <mason> Erhard: If it's legacy, man gpart and look at "bootcode".
23:00:23 <Erhard> Just a single disk pool ( NVME)
23:00:31 <mason> Erhard: If it's UEFI, you're not going to win without partitions.
23:00:39 <Erhard> The existing boot disk is zfs on an SSD
23:00:40 <parv> Other than the need to partition for EFI for root on ZFS, there is no pressing need to use GPT with ZFS. But it helps in that GPT use allows for labels, labels I use when creating a ZFS pool
23:01:08 <rwp> Is this for Legacy BIOS boot or for UEFI boot?
23:01:13 <Erhard> I think this mobo will do either.
23:01:15 <mason> Partitions are also nice for organizing GELI.
23:01:46 <rwp> I think the consensus is that you want GPT partitions.  Don't try to avoid it. :-)
23:02:00 <parv> And I love GPT labels (if that was not already clear)
23:02:33 <Erhard> sO IN GPART, FOR ZFS, AM i ADD ING -T FREEBSD-UFS ?
23:02:34 <mason> And... You can still use GPT even if you're doing a legacy install.
23:02:39 <Erhard> oops. Sorry for caps
23:02:44 <mason> Erhard: freebsd-zfs exists
23:02:49 <Erhard> Ah, ok
23:05:25 <Erhard> How big do I need for freebsd-boot ?
23:11:17 <mason> Erhard: 512k I believe
23:11:28 <mason> yeah, 512K
23:12:29 <Erhard> I decided why not just run bsdinstall lol
23:16:48 <mason> I do.
23:16:53 <mason> Erhard: I do this: https://wiki.freebsd.org/MasonLoringBliss/ZFSandGELIbyHAND
23:16:54 <VimDiesel> Title: MasonLoringBliss/ZFSandGELIbyHAND - FreeBSD Wiki
23:21:34 <Erhard> Hmm. not sure I can boot off this disk
23:21:51 <Erhard> It's a PCI card to support an M.2 drive in an older mobo
23:22:03 <Erhard> Didn't show up in the bios for booting
23:22:16 <Erhard> I could see if there is a newer BIOS. I think there would be
23:22:48 <Erhard> It seems to see it as a SATA drive anyway. 6Gig. So not really getting M.2 speed
23:23:10 <Erhard> Some PCI card that came with some ASUS mobo. Spare parts stuff
23:23:51 <mason> Unfortunate!
23:24:00 <Erhard> Yeah
23:26:56 <mason> I'm going to start looking for a wifi card soon that'll power hostapd=.
23:26:59 <mason> hostapd*
23:28:14 <idwer> Erhard: which one? BIOS looks for an optionrom, firmware, on the PCI <> M.2 device
23:29:02 <Erhard> Just rebooted. Let me see if I can find the info.
23:29:31 <Erhard> I can't get into the bios with the keyboard I have attached. I need to plug another one in. It's a stupid imac kbd with no del key lol
23:30:02 <Erhard> I was able to hit f8 and it didn't show up.
23:30:48 <Erhard> I suppose I can just use this M.2 for storage.
23:31:08 <Erhard> I really just want something I can serve 10Gig (well 5Gig outbound internet, so 5Gig) out with
23:31:50 <Erhard> I see ada0: <SAMSUNG MZHPU512HCGL-00004 UXM6501Q> ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device
23:32:38 <Erhard> I thought some of those PCIE M.2 cards would do actual M.2 type speeds, not a SATA device.
23:32:52 <Erhard> But this one may be crap. Like I said it came free with an older X99 mobo
23:33:12 <Erhard> Probably marketing wank so they could tick off M.2 support on the box
23:33:38 <Erhard> I found it in a drawer so thought I would give a try
23:38:34 * parv have submitted a patch re "trio" ("net/py-trio" port) error: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=267133
23:38:50 <Erhard> Even with a real kbd and going into the bios I couldn't find anything about the M.2 card
23:39:11 <Erhard> I have the PCI device rom enabled.
23:39:50 <Erhard> For giggles I am trying a full power off reboot
23:42:06 <Erhard> Still only the internal SSD port disk shows up.
23:42:08 <Erhard> Gr.
23:48:50 <yuripv> there are sata drives with m.2 interface; are you sure it's pcie nvme drive?
23:53:02 <Erhard> Pretty sure. I windows it was not an SSD and was doing like 1 GB/sec
23:53:15 <Erhard> I think it's the stupid card
23:53:22 <Erhard> Rather than the M.2