00:05:22 <yuripv> CCFL_Man: all sas shelves that i've seen work for sata drives
00:09:37 <CCFL_Man> yuripv: ahh, ok
00:10:00 <CCFL_Man> i guess 6Gbps is the "standard" now for the low end?
00:19:13 <yuripv> it's sas2 (or sata3), and I don't think any spinning rust can achieve that speed if we are talking about directly connected drives (i.e. 1 lane)
00:20:56 <yuripv> OTOH, if we are talking about using expanders (e.g. with external disk shelf), you can multiply that rate by number of lanes, and see if it's enough for the number of disks you are planning to use
00:33:01 <yuripv> actually i see some hdds being advertised as 600MB/s (which is just about the rate of 1 lane with encoding), so i can be completely wrong about spinning rust :)
01:02:13 <CCFL_Man> yuripv: i can get a hitachi sas disk shelf for cheap, but it's limited to 3mbps. that should be ok for a home nas?
01:34:30 <Erhard> CCFL_Man: If you don't need hot swapping, then find any case with adequate cooling that will hold the requisite number of drives. Then get yourself an IT mode HBA (See youtuber ArtOfTheServer for tons of info, and he sells good ones reaosnably priced on enay).
01:35:12 <Erhard> That guy has videos about all the different sorts of cards and why you would want one over the other.
01:36:05 <Erhard> He has a video on a good way to test all your drives before putting them into service as well.
01:36:25 <Erhard> Offers a concurrent badblocks script bht I think it is called.
01:37:38 <Erhard> You can use it if you buy used enterprise drives for instance... which are about half the price.
01:43:45 <Erhard> Even older HBA cards have 8 lanes
01:47:31 <Erhard> I built a spare parts nas with one of these https://www.ebay.com/itm/162834659601
01:47:32 <VimDiesel> Title: Dell H310 6Gbps SAS HBA w/ LSI 9211-8i P20 IT Mode for ZFS FreeNAS unRAID | eBay
01:47:47 <Erhard> YOu need 10Gig ethernet too, of course, or this is all moot
01:48:01 <Erhard> A single drive can basically saturate 1Gig
01:51:49 <CCFL_Man> oh thanks! i built a small 1U server that i plan on getting an HBA card
01:52:21 <Erhard> Watch that guy's videos to learn all about them.
01:52:30 <Erhard> A lot of variables, and a lot of stuff that is overkill.
01:52:48 <Erhard> LIke he will explain when or if you need 12Gbit cards
01:53:04 <Erhard> And about SAS expanders, etc.
01:53:09 <Erhard> All kinds of interesting stuff
01:54:41 <mason> Oh, I can vouch for that fellow. He's helpful.
01:55:17 <Erhard> I have bought a couple of cards from him, and he was crazy helpful with tech support in that regard
01:55:44 <Erhard> Be sure to get cables with the built in molex power connectors in you do an HBA. Otherwise the card may not be able to provide enough power.
01:56:06 <Erhard> (Those can be had cheaply on ebay)
01:56:45 <Erhard> I used these from this seller. No affiliation, but they came on time and worked: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284618234227
01:56:46 <VimDiesel> Title: Internal Mini SAS to SAS w/ Molex Power Cable SFF-8087 to 4x SFF-8482 1M | eBay
01:59:40 <Erhard> Of course with 1U its probbaly all custom $$ stuff. That's why I prefer 4U cases for most things... commidity parts, real power supplies, etc.
02:02:37 <CCFL_Man> Erhard: i wanted to use an hba with an external sas port with a disk shelf
02:03:21 <Erhard> I see.
02:03:46 <Erhard> Might work well too. I would still check out that guy's videos. He has some on using externals.
05:45:45 <grahamperrin> CCFL_Man: yes (ZFS mobile hard disk drive on USB) and FYI, <https://old.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/xw1a7e/-/> (I need to add a comment there, and update the linked gist).
05:45:47 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD sleep/wake (suspend/resume): extending rc.suspend to allow detachment of storage devices on USB, and to avoid audio-related issues : freebsd
09:49:32 <meena> V_PauAmma_V: I merged grahamperrin's pull request against mine, does that also address (all?) of your suggestions?
10:01:12 <enie> -- | Channel #freebsd: 666 nicks
10:01:19 <enie> :D
11:45:37 <V_PauAmma_V> meena, going to have a look later today.
12:47:00 <aristotle> rennj: thanks
12:47:33 <aristotle> Remilia: yeah I have bectl but not beadm. thanks for the pointer
15:29:30 <CCFL_Man> grahamperrin: oh nice.
15:44:47 <ober> Plugged in Ralink usb wifi device, dmesg shows it as run0. yet ifconfig does not. The if_run is loaded as this is GENERIC
15:47:28 <yuripv> you need to create wlan interface on top of it, please check the handbook
15:47:40 <ober> ahh thanks for the pointer
15:50:08 <ober> layers ftw
16:02:59 <seabass> hellooo :) Anyone here still running FreeBSD on Intel's Pentium 2 silicon or older?
16:04:46 <seabass> I think they ran the architecture that was demoted from full support in FreeBSD 13, but I'm attempting to revive an old laptop for basic internet use.
16:05:50 <seabass> (email, standard definition online video etc. etc. Who needs 4K when you can have 480p?)
16:08:28 <yuripv> https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.1R/hardware/ says everything starting with i486 is supported
16:08:29 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE Hardware Notes | The FreeBSD Project
16:09:03 <seabass> ah, so that makes Pentium 2 a later 32-bit architecture right?
16:10:29 <yuripv> correct, amd64 (emt64) came later
16:11:28 <yuripv> that page seems to have unexpanded link though, "Perusal of the archives of the link:{freebsd-smp} may yield some clues."
16:11:44 <seabass> nice! I'm banking on FreeBSD having good enough hardware support for my basic usage, but if not expect me back here for some beginner driver-writing advice ;)
16:23:45 <wcarson> anyone have recommendations for a maildir format to support large inboxes? i guess the answer is dovecot's mdbox, but i really don't want multiple messages per file. i guess hashing the message and storing it in aa/bb/message or something isn't workable, since no one seems to have done it
16:29:01 <meena> seabass: it might still work ok, just give it a lash
17:21:11 <grahamperrin> V_PauAmma_V: when I mentioned allowing edits by maintainers in GitHub, this (for example) is the context:
17:21:18 <grahamperrin> <https://stackoverflow.com/q/63341296/38108> – the answer
17:21:19 <VimDiesel> Title: git - GitHub Pull Request - "Allow edits by maintainers" - Stack Overflow
17:22:24 <grahamperrin> GitHub official documentation, this is probably most relevant: <https://docs.github.com/en/pull-requests/collaborating-with-pull-requests/proposing-changes-to-your-work-with-pull-requests/creating-a-pull-request-from-a-fork>
17:22:25 <VimDiesel> Title: Creating a pull request from a fork - GitHub Docs
17:22:30 <grahamperrin> – step 7
17:22:44 <grahamperrin>  > On user-owned forks, if you want to allow anyone with push access to the upstream repository to make changes to your pull request, select Allow edits from maintainers.
17:47:50 <JoBbZ> Hi folks, investigating a deadlock and I need the debugging symbols for libthr3.. how do I get that pulled down locally? thanks
17:57:13 <V_PauAmma_V> *nod* I was aware of that, but last I looked it wasn't restricted to draft pull requests. Did that change?
17:57:51 <V_PauAmma_V> (that was for grahamperrin)
18:12:19 <V_PauAmma_V> JoBbZ, if you installed with base-dbg, they're already installed in a location that IIRC depends on your FreeBSD version but that I annoyingly can't remember, so check release notes. If not installed, fetch base-dbg from https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/13.1-RELEASE/ (using your architecture and version instead), unpack it in a staging directory, and mv or cp it to the appropriate
18:12:20 <VimDiesel> Title: Index of /ftp/releases/amd64/13.1-RELEASE/
18:12:25 <V_PauAmma_V> directory/ies.
18:23:46 <JoBbZ> got it, tyvm (I followed comment #9 here https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/libc-with-symbols.74008/ and updated for my arch/release)
18:23:47 <VimDiesel> Title: Solved - libc with symbols | The FreeBSD Forums
18:23:50 <JoBbZ> be nice if you could install it after the fact
18:33:11 <meena> JoBbZ: PkgBase has dbg packages
18:35:08 <meena> maybe if you install https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/13.1-RELEASE/ base-dbg you'd get them too
18:35:09 <VimDiesel> Title: Index of /releases/amd64/13.1-RELEASE/
18:35:19 <meena> well, not maybe, most likely
18:37:45 <meena> the problem is, that it would be useless without a freebsd-update, so PkgBase wins this round :P
22:48:21 <debdrup> grahamperrin: the project isn't going to move to GitHub
22:50:10 <debdrup> Unless I misunderstood something, it seems like you want to use github?
22:50:25 <debdrup> And I mean, that's fine for your own personal thing, just so long as you aren't expecting the project to move.
22:51:38 <debdrup> FreeBSD has always had a self-hosted repo of record, it's something we set quite a lot of pride in :)
23:27:02 <kenobi> what distro do u recommend for a linux user to start using *bsd? freebsd/openbsd/netbsd etc.. ?
23:30:09 <meena> kenobi: here in this channel we might be biased.
23:30:18 <meena> kenobi: over in #netbsd they might be biased too…
23:30:28 <kenobi> lol
23:30:30 <meena> kenobi: and over in #openbsd they might be biased, also…
23:30:56 <meena> kenobi: go with the one most of your friends are using
23:31:55 <tehpeh> or go with the one most of your friends aren't using. Don't just think different, _be_ different ;)
23:32:08 <yuripv> that means win11, right?
23:32:13 <tehpeh> :(
23:32:19 * meena went from Linux to Solaris, to FreeBSD, then Linux, then FreeBSD
23:32:25 <tehpeh> not like that lol
23:32:47 <V_PauAmma_V> TempleOS. *srs nod*
23:33:00 <meena> there was probably some windows somewhere in between there, but, tbf, it was not voluntary…
23:33:07 <meena> V_PauAmma_V: yes! yess!!
23:33:07 <kenobi> yuripv i was thinking the same lol
23:33:14 <meena> (or Haiku)
23:33:31 <meena> anyway, that's enough "fun" for me… off to bed o/~
23:33:59 <tehpeh> g. night
23:34:18 <meena> tonight's accomplishment: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1779
23:34:19 <VimDiesel> Title: Net: add BSD ifconfig(8) parser by igalic · Pull Request #1779 · canonical/cloud-init · GitHub
23:59:43 <nacelle> is rebasing out typo fixes and such normal for freebsd?