02:26:56 I told X11 via config file to use my old gpu (fbsd has no drivers for the new one yet) – and it kinda does – but I'm not getting full resolution (neither on the KMS TTYs, nor in X11) and glxinfo says there's no acceleration. Is there some way to make FreeBSD *completely* ignore the first gpu? 02:28:30 driver kernel module, including fw ones are loaded as per kldstat and Xorg.0.log explicitly mentions the identifier I set for the card when associating it to a BusID – so I'm reasonably sure that's not the issue. 02:29:22 Ah, additionally, the first GPU stops updating its image as soon as the driver module for the older GPU is loaded – also implying that that kinda-sorta goes right. 03:12:05 got it fixed! the file in xorg.conf.d also has to specify `Driver "modesetting"` and `Option "kmsdev" "/dev/dri/"` 07:49:43 i have a package that fails installing because it claims a user already exists but then disappears during installation – which isn't the case. how do i find out which package is pulling that first package in as dependency? 07:50:48 the failed install also leaves an entry for that user in /etc/passwd 08:05:39 i just manually went through all 60+ ports listed as reverse dependencies on freshports, i removed the two thingsi had that actually depended on it, but I'm still getting that thing pulled in by pkg upgrade :F 08:06:07 is there some sorta "nuke this package until it stops twitching" option for pkg? 08:08:39 arrrgh. damn case sensitivity. FreeCAD, not freecad – that's what kept pulling in mpich which is what kept pulling in slurm-wlm… /o\ 08:08:46 hm, when I want to know why something isn't removed by autoremove I try pkg remove -n to figure out what still depends on it 08:09:42 SONOVA – something pulled the damn package in after ~50 packages again >__< 08:10:04 nimaje: I've never really trusted (and thus done) autoremove – how does it know what's to open hunting season on? 08:13:44 okay, fuck it, autoremove it is. obviously wants to remove a whole bunch of things i actually want. but i guess i can always reinstall later and this is costing me entirely too many nerves. 08:18:08 okay, that *seems* to have removed the implicit dependency on mpich/slurm. let's hope it won't have to recalculate deps in the middle or something…^^ 08:19:03 packages have a automatic flag (installed as a dependency), autoremove will remove all packages that are automatically installed and aren't needed by non-automatic packages (recursive dependencies), see pkg query -e '%a = 0' %o use pkg set to change the automatic flag, autoremove supports --dry-run (-n) too and first lists what it would do and asks if it should continue, so it is safe to 08:19:05 use even if it would remove stuff you want to keep, as long as you don't just answer y on reflex or something like that 08:20:03 nimaje: ah, so it will not remove anything that was explicitly thrown int pkg install? 08:20:25 so if something gets remove, let it be removed and if i really want it (like a lib for development stuff) install it explicitly and autoremove won't touch it again? 08:21:55 yes, or see that it wants to remove stuff you want to keep, abort the autoremove and use pkg set to mark the package as non-automatic 08:23:26 nimaje: oh, kinda forgot pkg set is a thing. i think i only needed it for a rename once. i assume you're talking about `pkg set -v 1 `? 08:25:00 no --automatic (-A) 08:31:02 nimaje: ah. thanks. :) 08:31:31 oh no, can't tmux back into the upgrade because Shared object "libevent-2.1.so.6" not found, required by "tmux" :'D 08:32:04 tho i guess that's a problem that will literally fix itself :') 08:32:12 and it already did \o/ 08:39:17 https://www.bsdnow.tv/475 08:39:18 Title: BSD Now 475: Prompt Injection Attacks 14:13:42 Hi, I'm face of this bug : https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/13974 : how can I do something to help solv ? 14:13:45 Title: FreeBSD 13+ : NFS access of snapshot returns stale file handle; server zfs commands hang · Issue #13974 · openzfs/zfs · GitHub 14:13:45 13974 – [UPDATE] ports/databases/gnats https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13974 14:26:10 I wonder... what if a bugzilla had "#...." in the title. 14:29:33 probably it would react to that, there is a problem report about that https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=264662 14:29:35 Title: 264662 – VimDiesel sometimes wrongly listens and replies to itself 14:32:01 And talks about himself in third person 14:40:38 G'morning. I am pulling my hair out with something that should be simple. I'm trying to get apache24 httpd to talk to php-fpm in a jail. I haven't set up Apache in a couple of years, and it was with mod_php before rather than fcgi.. 14:40:40 I have apache serving static files, but I've had no luck with SetHandler or ProxyPassMatch. I can serve static files, but PHP is sent as source. Can someone point me to a reasonable tutorial? 14:55:01 gh00p, https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/network-servers/#network-apache 14:55:02 Title: Chapter 30. Network Servers | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 14:55:10 Prolly a good place to start if you scroll own a bit. 14:55:42 Find the mod_php section. 14:56:25 CrtxReavr, ya, I looked at that, but I feel like it's the connection to php-fpm which is the problem. Should I just punt and go back to mod_php? 14:57:17 mod_php is all I've ever used with Apache, but the things I've done have been fairly rudamentary. 14:57:50 Mostly just tweaking things 'til a phpinfo(); call looks right, then turn it over to application devs/owners. 14:58:17 hi, can anyone recommend a small web (not ssl) server to run just poudriere with? i already have nginx set up well with nextcloud, i'd like a totally different one on another port 14:58:26 I'm hoping to run drupal. I'm feeling a bit useless, I already gave up on switching to nginx. :( 15:01:02 gh00p: id guess drupal prob best on nginx for raw horsepower, apache is flabby but it's better known, is my impression 15:06:15 The Drupal web site says that apache is the best documented within the Drupal project, but it looks like anything that can talk to php-fpm should work. 15:08:18 think might have answered my q re poudriere :D https://github.com/jj1bdx/poudriere_elixir_web 15:08:19 Title: GitHub - jj1bdx/poudriere_elixir_web: Web server for viewing Poudriere results 15:08:48 now to build elixir. never used it before 19:07:08 Any good at troubleshoot network performance at 10 Gig? I have a Dell 730xd -- Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2666 v3 @ 2.90GHz with an Intel X520 Card (Intel(R) 2P X520/2P I350 rNDC). I can only get about 7.9Gigabit. With another box with an older i7 and a Chelsio card I get the full 9.88 19:07:32 Testing with iperf3 19:07:43 But results are about the same with file transfers 19:09:54 Oh, just set hw.ix.max_interrupt_rate to 0 (had been trying 5000), and Now I get much better closer to 9.6Gigabit 19:11:20 It's not super stable in speed, though. And the other server with he Chelsio card is. 19:14:23 FWIW the box with the Chelsio card is Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3930K CPU @ 3.20GHz and The Chelsio T520-SO-CR (I know the SO is not as good) 19:15:12 A consumer mobo (Asus Sabrtooth X79 19:15:24 ) 19:20:07 FWIW: hw.ix.enable_aim: 0 on the Dell 19:24:37 JUmbo Frames is at 9000 for both systems 19:24:45 (And the receiving system) 19:34:25 hey there - I'm moving from Debian to FreeBSD, and I can't figure out where Changelogs for packages installed via `pkg` are located. In Debian, each package has /usr/share/doc/$package/changelog.gz ; is there such a thing in FreeBSD? 19:38:43 a lot seems to be in /usr/local/share/doc, sometimes as the NEWS file, but i don't see that in all packages 19:39:33 yes, scoobybejesus, not all packages ; I just updated doas & I wanted to see what changes had been committed between versions 19:41:51 i thought `pkg info -D ` listed the last set of comments on that, but it's actually not behaving for me right now 20:15:18 veg, Just to show you are not alone I am similarly trying to learn things like this too. 20:15:56 scoobybejesus, The pkg info -D shows what is more similar to Debian's NEWS files than a changelog. It's what the package maintainer thinks you might need to know. 20:19:00 veg, I don't know, I am just a newbie here too, but since FreeBSD keeps things cohesive I think you can find what you need in the git version control history. 20:19:27 For example for hexchat (which other people often use, not me) one can look at the changes that happen through the git log. 20:19:39 This is available online with the cgit web UI https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/log/irc/hexchat 20:19:43 Title: ports - FreeBSD ports tree 20:56:44 In single user how do I re-mount as readonly zfs filesystem as read-write? 20:57:09 mount -urw / 20:57:16 Ah, the u 20:57:27 In NetBSD I used to just mount -rw 20:57:30 I thought. 20:57:46 Thanks! 21:01:08 I don't know about the other BSDs, but in FreeBSD, -u will toggle read-only mounts into read-write without anything else. 21:03:38 Cool 21:18:12 Still trying to figure out this Intel x520 tuning. 21:55:15 ( https://man.netbsd.org/mount.8 has -u too, and it does the same thing https://man.freebsd.org/mount(8) ) 21:55:18 Title: mount(8) - NetBSD Manual Pages 21:55:39 Any idea why I would get the Newer FreeBSD version message (- package: 1301000 - running kernel: 1300139 ) in my jails even though the host and the jails have both been updated to 13.1-RELEASE-p2 and that shows up on freebsd-kersion -kru on the host and -ru on the jails ? 21:55:51 meena: thx 21:57:15 (the error when doing pkg upgrade) 23:05:00 Does freebsd play ok with pipewire? 23:11:49 icarious: the freebsd pipewire port/package looks well maintained: https://www.freshports.org/multimedia/pipewire 23:11:50 Title: FreshPorts -- multimedia/pipewire: Server and user space API to deal with multimedia pipelines 23:12:04 koobs : thank you so much mate 23:12:08 pleasure 23:12:11 aussie? 23:12:16 Indian . lol. don't hate me 23:12:21 why would i hate you? 23:12:26 :] 23:12:34 Oh no you won't. Its just people find Asians to be sticky and clingy. So 23:12:41 dont hear many indians (except aussie indians) saying 'mate' :) 23:13:08 Well. that apart. I am actually a long term Linux user 2002- ... ongoing trying to "move" to FreeBSD now and have a lot of questions 23:13:11 icarious: youll be unlikely to find/heard/see that in our community 23:13:34 Ah ya. I know. I just consider myself a "global" citizen and adapt the best/ funny/ slang of every civilization 23:13:49 well, youre in the right place (unless you like discord, twitter, et al) in which case discord.gg/freebsd and @freebsdhelp 23:13:53 icarious: ^ 23:14:09 Right on man. Well I will stick to IRC/ libera for now 23:14:13 but peeps are welcome anywhere they find us 23:14:16 roger that 23:15:00 I mean, I will avoid the RTFM / noob stuff and ask only when I have a significant query. I am actually planning to start with a "One whole month on FreeBSD without linux) and take notes of my opsec / use cases before I decide to make a move 23:15:36 I am so frustrated with the "handholding automatic" of udev / systemd / polkit and unix deviation of linux  now 23:15:36 icarious: we only expect peeps respect each others time and energy 23:15:44 I know. I love that 23:16:02 we dont really 'rtfm' (less and less recently) but we do like to help people help themselves 23:16:15 Whats your first goal/definition of success? 23:16:28 And what do you need to check/tick to get there? 23:17:26 Urmm. Actually I have a very complex workflow. I am a Gentoo user who uses Full Disk Encryption and I use full wayland with swaywm without xwayland. That is my utmost priority right now. My hardware is relatively new. An AMD Zen 2 Processor with Renoir Graphics and Intel iwlwifi (AX200) wifi card 23:17:38 lovely 23:17:48 So just to provide some yardsticks for you 23:18:12 Youll find if you dont know already Gentoo's portage (based on freebsd ports) to be similar in usage (USE flags, ours are called OPTIONS) 23:18:24 We have a couple/few FDE options (not just one) 23:18:56 Wayland support is pretty good, but not 'entirely and seamlessly integrated' 23:19:07 Ya I know that Gentoo's portage is based off of FreeBSD's port system. I just want some of the specialized stuff that I use work. For instance wayland + swaywm and my hardware. The rest I can "adapt" .. The FDE part I do absolutely love how freebsd handles FDE with ZFS 23:19:23 For iwlwifi, there's a brand new branch, in depevelopment, but much of the way there: https://wiki.freebsd.org/action/info/WiFi/Iwlwifi 23:19:24 "Wayland support is pretty good, but not 'entirely and seamlessly integrated'" . Its ok. I know its very new. As long as most of what I use works 23:19:24 Title: WiFi/Iwlwifi - FreeBSD Wiki 23:19:37 you'll want to run 13/stable at least, but probably CURRENT if you want bleeding edge 23:19:44 Dont be concerned about running a development version 23:20:01 but youll want to prime yourself for that with: https://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/doc/handbook/current-stable.html 23:20:03 Title: 24.4.�Tracking a Development Branch 23:20:18 running CURRENT will probably go the same for latest amd chipset support 23:20:18 Ya I will run 14 I guess so that my hardware gets supported. But mostly I am a very LTS / Stable user so I will shift to that over time 23:20:24 via drm-kmod port/package 23:20:36 upstream is here: https://github.com/freebsd/drm-kmod 23:20:38 Title: GitHub - freebsd/drm-kmod: drm driver for FreeBSD 23:20:46 anyother questions or pointers, just holler 23:21:05 koobs : sure man. You are lovely in your patience and starters. Might add you  up sometime 23:21:23 And since youre desktop/wayland oriented, we have a dedicated channel #freebsd-desktop 23:21:26 And on discord too 23:22:08 you probably already found this: https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/sway/ 23:22:09 Title: FreshPorts -- x11-wm/sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor 23:22:28 but there's a devel version too: https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/sway-devel 23:22:29 Title: FreshPorts -- x11-wm/sway-devel: i3-compatible Wayland compositor (development snapshot) 23:29:04 koobs : thanks. I will join the channel 23:29:28 roger 23:29:37 wayland is pretty much ok, using it for long time 23:31:53 angry_vincent: yah, im just cognizant that our docs/notes/statushowto's for it havent been broght together for easy consumption, 23:32:07 and i dont know what the new fresh eyes onboarding ux is like for it 23:37:42 honestly, i never followed it. i set wayland before doc even was an option by trial and error 23:38:22 yeh, thats kinda what i mean :)