01:19:41 <phryk> I'm confused about the drm-kmod – how do I find out what the currently used version of DRM is? I see that there's drm-510-kmod specifically fro 5.10, but I have no idea what drm-kmod itself uses? This is especially pertinent to me as my GPU is only supported from 5.11 onwards…
01:28:31 <phryk> mhh, i found a WIP pull request for 5.11 on the github repo of drm-kmod. guess it's not there yet.
02:46:36 <Plasmoduck> I havent used my computer for some time and I just upgraded packages and it installed like 70 new packages, some of which all the gpu-firmare-amd-kmod*
02:46:52 <Plasmoduck> I have an intel graphics card, why do I need these?
02:47:19 <Plasmoduck> I tried to remove one and it was going to remove drm-kmod which I need for my intel graphics
02:48:46 <Plasmoduck> actually, pkg installed every gpu-firmware-*
03:02:54 <Plasmoduck> so pkg install drm-kmod installs everything now
03:17:19 <Plasmoduck> I just built the port, hopefully it didn't install all that other crap
07:23:39 <luna> anyone know the EuroBSDCon streaming URL for today?
07:33:47 <luna> found it on the twitter http://twitter.com/eurobsdcon
07:33:50 <VimDiesel> Title: EuroBSDcon (@eurobsdcon) / Twitter
07:37:00 <luna> https://nitter.ca/eurobsdcon/status/1571012933274185728#m
07:37:01 <VimDiesel> Title: EuroBSDcon (@eurobsdcon): "Thanks to heroic efforts by @BSDTV there will be streams of the talks. Track 1: Opens a webpage player: https://bsdtv-player.secdn.net/theatre/c726dda9-ffb0-4afa-bf71-55cfc9ab7b67 If you want to view via VLC: https://bsdtv-hls.secdn.net/bsdtv-channel/play/input_track1.smil/playlist.m3u8"|nitter
12:11:53 <FUZxxl> Hello!
12:12:20 <FUZxxl> With ZFS, is it safe to apply a label (with glabel) to a zfs disk after it was initialised?
12:12:57 <FUZxxl> i.e. I've done "zpool attach tank disk"
12:13:41 <FUZxxl> and now I want to do "glabel label foo disk
12:13:56 <debdrup> GEOM labels can be metadata-free, which you'd need to do if there's already a partition on the disk.
12:14:12 <FUZxxl> the disk is not partitioned
12:14:25 <FUZxxl> in essence I'm asking if ZFS tolerated meta data on the last sector
12:15:10 <debdrup> I wouldn't think it'd go well.
12:15:21 <FUZxxl> :-(
12:15:22 <FUZxxl> ok
12:15:26 <debdrup> Hold up though.
12:15:29 * FUZxxl goes and resilvers *again*
12:15:49 <debdrup> Are you asking if you can add a geom label then add a zpool on top of that?
12:15:56 <FUZxxl> no, the other way round
12:16:00 <FUZxxl> the first way works of course
12:16:13 <debdrup> The first works, the second sounds like a recipe for disaster.
12:17:30 <debdrup> I'm pretty sure ZFS uses that part of the disk for its own metadata (specifically, the zpool labels).
12:17:59 <debdrup> Consult the ZFS on-disk specification :)
12:18:37 <FUZxxl> hm hm
12:19:21 <debdrup> https://github.com/ahrens/zfsondisk
12:19:22 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - ahrens/zfsondisk: OpenZFS on disk format specification
12:20:23 <FUZxxl> yeah ok it's no bueno
14:54:11 <idwer> on -current,  amd64, I have machine with booting problems
14:54:31 <idwer> "module 'kernel' exists but with wrong version"
14:58:33 <idwer> maaaaaybe I should drop the schg flag from sys/GENERIC/vers* in /usr/obj/
15:42:47 <saltd> idwer, what is exact info loader shows?
15:43:13 <idwer> saltd: I have footage
15:43:45 <saltd> good, show it
15:44:54 <idwer> loading required module 'kernel'
15:44:59 <idwer> module 'kernel' exists but with wrong version
15:45:20 <saltd> do you compile world/kernel yourself?
15:45:35 <idwer> as said, this is -current
15:45:59 <idwer> the known working build is from commit a070c11afe5990a4d60a27078263e016411602a8
15:46:18 <saltd> ups did not mention thay, using -current on freebsd is dangerous, try to backward to stable
15:46:25 <saltd> that*
15:48:02 <saltd> or you can reinstall kernel from sources (if current is compilable) just do make installkernel KERNCONF=yourkernel.file
15:48:31 <saltd> also there is some programs that can fix not bootable system, seek for it on internet
15:49:07 <idwer> why would I do that
15:49:39 <saltd> what you mean? if you dont need bootable system then forgot
18:13:04 <phryk> Is there a way to define what geli that are marked with the boot flag actually ask for the passphrase yet? I have a whole bunch of geli containers and am using GPT names so it doesn't matter what order drives are actually connected in, and the boot process keeps asking me for passphrases for all the /dev/ada* devices that are equivalent to the named GPT ones, but I only have the /dev/gpt/ ones
18:13:06 <phryk> configured and this has been a constant annoyance of mine for a decade now…
18:13:49 <idwer> Allan: have you noticed ZFS problems on HEAD?
18:14:08 <idwer> gogin to revert to https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=08aba0aec7b7f676ccc3f7886f59f277d668d5b4 - 1
18:14:09 <VimDiesel> Title: src - FreeBSD source tree
18:14:23 <idwer> IE the commit before zfs: merge openzfs/zfs@a582d5299
18:21:39 <CCFL_Man> do when setting up a nfs server, you need to know your client IPs in advance?
18:22:13 <idwer> okay, odd
18:24:26 <CCFL_Man> because it looks like when you set up an nfs mount, you need to oput the ip address of the client
18:25:02 <idwer> best guess is that vers* needed to be recreated after an ABI bump?
18:29:13 <Remilia> CCFL_Man: see exports(5)
18:39:44 <irqq> how to zpool import zroot of a disk from another system on a system which alseo has zroot pool. Both disks from default install, but the one to be imported needs repair
18:40:41 <rtprio> irqq: man zpool-import
18:41:10 <irqq> -R /mnt ?
18:41:17 <rtprio> that would be a good idea
18:44:25 <irqq> ok. On a i386 micro-pc computer I created /boot.config file with -s... -P options but after that the system does not boot. Stops at bpot: prompt. Need to rm boot.config. So, btw why that happenc
18:44:31 <irqq> ?
18:45:05 <timothias> it is really a 386 CPU?
18:45:28 <idwer> could be, vrotex86dx perhaps?
18:45:30 <idwer> vortex*
18:45:47 <idwer> which is rated i586 iirc
18:46:36 <timothias> I have nothing useful as far as advice, but honestly Im surprised it got that far.
18:47:18 <timothias> Can I ask why you are using that?
18:47:48 <irqq> it has 6 serial ports
18:48:06 <irqq> good for a console multiplexer
18:48:10 <daemon> that's not allowed you are only allowed 4 :)
18:48:21 <timothias> Like I said, I have nothing to offer as far as advice, but I wish you luck.
18:48:26 <irqq> good enough
18:48:53 <timothias> do you know what UART the ports have?
18:51:26 <irqq> not syre
18:51:43 <irqq> Iam not able to boot it now to see
18:52:19 <timothias> you could look at the board...
18:52:25 <timothias> if you were so inclined
18:52:48 <daemon> I mean you say an i386 micropc
18:53:00 <daemon> I assume something embedded what make/model is it
18:53:06 <daemon> or is this something salvaged
18:53:20 <daemon> it likely has a tech sheet with it on the appropriate site
18:53:20 <timothias> I cant imagine a 386 being all that fast...
18:53:34 <rtprio> need a math coprocssor to support zfs ;)
18:53:42 <timothias> its 32bit
18:53:48 <saltd> me?
18:53:48 <timothias> can it support zfs?
18:53:57 <daemon> PAE to the rescue :P
18:53:58 <irqq> Intel Atom N270 1R/2W 1,6 GHz x86
18:54:08 <timothias> aha!
18:54:33 <timothias> at least that was in this century
18:54:40 <irqq> here it is: https://www.icp-deutschland.de/en/industrial-pc/embedded-pc/pcie-mini-slot/universal-ecn-ecw-mb-s310/ecw-281b-r30-n270-1gb.html
18:54:42 <timothias> I just said that
18:54:42 <VimDiesel> Title: ECW-281B-R30/N270/1GB | Industrial Computer and Components from ICP IEI
18:54:45 * timothias cries
18:55:09 <daemon> quite a pretty little box really
18:55:30 <daemon> I quite like the industrial style units
18:57:05 <irqq> I have some more varuous boxes like that, but more powerful, and want to use this one a a "serial console server" for them
18:57:47 <daemon> in the old days it was only possible to have 4 'com' ports per system due to IRQ assignment
18:58:01 <daemon> so I would assume your using rs-232/serial over usb adapters?
18:58:49 <daemon> or do you want to talk to really old stuff via really old programs
18:59:29 <irqq> not so really outdated. 2xqotom + NSM-SKL-6L
18:59:41 <daemon> should have no issue
19:00:16 <daemon> except using the correct device in your <program of choice>
19:00:36 <irqq> One qotom serves as FTTH PPPoE router at 1Gb/s with IPTV
19:01:04 <daemon> FTTH PPPOE is a bitch, did you also have to do dhcpv6-pd
19:01:18 <irqq> no
19:01:21 <irqq> IPv4
19:01:22 <daemon> lucky you :P
19:03:55 <irqq> and happy that I managed to run triple play on FTTH with freebsd on that, and replced isp-provided router
19:04:12 <daemon> eh
19:04:18 <daemon> I tried it with ppp to start with
19:04:23 <daemon> mpd5 is far better though
19:04:34 <daemon> bandwidth and latency wise at least
19:05:02 <daemon> I did a bit of a cheat and used opnsense and its auto configuration then snooped its configs and migrated them to freebsd
19:07:07 <irqq> need to play a bit more just to try other options than ppp daemon. Funny thing when speed testing from inside LAN I get full speed. But when speed testing from the router itself I get only up to 150Mbps. Maybe because of thet ppp
19:09:02 <irqq> yeah, I followed some advices dealing with pfsense and opnsense examples on the net and step by step made it running. igmpproxy part was bit tricky
19:10:52 <daemon> oh yeah man
19:10:58 <daemon> mpd5 is way faster
19:11:09 <daemon> if a bit of a bitch to get config'd
19:12:45 <daemon> https://dpaste.org/WS4aS
19:12:46 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/WS4aS (Plain Code)
19:12:52 <daemon> here is mine if it helps out any in the future
19:13:31 <daemon> 'em2' in that lot us the nic attached to the adapter
19:13:39 <daemon> s/us/is/
19:19:06 <nacelle> irqq: passing packets is far less overhead than being an endpoint of the tcp streams of those packets, but even that 941ish vs 150... ouch.
20:46:16 <CCFL_Man> can a freebsd nfs client work with a solaris nfs server?
20:46:39 <rtprio> it should work.
20:47:01 <CCFL_Man> nis+ aside
20:47:33 <rtprio> it should work; what are you seeing?
20:49:17 <CCFL_Man> i have not tried it yet. i was just wondering if it should be interoperable
20:49:51 <rtprio> yes
20:52:40 <CCFL_Man> ok. i don't see why it shouldn't be. with nfs, you need to specify hosts because there is no authentication?
20:58:29 <fredi> I'm right in the middle of an important task and emacs won't print to pdf unless I Google for about 3h and I don't have this time today
20:59:05 <CCFL_Man> fredi: linux user?
21:00:14 <fredi> could anyone suggest another text editor for doing so on FreeBSD? just don't leafpad (I doubt it wrap lines around) and try not to name "fancy" editors (Atom/vscode)
21:00:30 <fredi> CCFL_Man  Linux and BSD for at least 6y now
21:02:16 <fredi> I should go with gedit, atom and vscode feel like everything but BSD
21:02:26 <CCFL_Man> fredi: what is wrong with joe or vim?
21:02:40 <CCFL_Man> there is also nedit
21:02:47 <fredi> vim do not print to pdf so easy as well
21:03:15 <fredi> joe is a nano-like editor, isn't it?
21:03:20 <CCFL_Man> why have you determined the problem is freebsd?
21:03:35 <fredi> But the problem is not FreeBSD
21:04:45 <fredi> gedit would print to pdf in 2s, CCFL_Man I'm just afraid it pulls out together the whole GNOME Shell in its dependence list
21:05:11 <fredi> I logged in to ask here what people use to code
21:05:27 <CCFL_Man> you use a gui?
21:05:32 <fredi> shouldn't be a hard question considering where/who we are
21:05:54 <fredi> CCFL_Man  just when strictly needed, like right now
21:07:36 <satanist> it's realy not clear what you are looking for: a text to pdf converter, an editor or something else?
21:07:50 <fredi> like I said, I'm in a kind of a hurry... so I'll try gedit and that'll be it, provided GNOME ain't coming along by the tow
21:08:20 <fredi> satanist  a text to pdf converter obviously work, but lots of (common) editors just do it
21:09:16 <fredi> however, I don't recall ever seeing a plaintext-to-pdf converter (but thanks, it's a nice idea)
21:09:53 * fredi ok, gedit is here...
21:11:30 <fredi> thaat's it...
21:11:37 <fredi> thanks anyway
21:14:36 <fredi> P.S.: CCFL_Man I just opened a text file with vim and have no clue about how to even start "printing"
21:15:17 <CCFL_Man> neither do i
21:15:23 <fredi> I can do the basics, the very basics only
21:15:50 <CCFL_Man> linux has kept you back?
21:15:59 <fredi> Not wanting to raise and old argument, I was just used to emacs
21:16:04 <fredi> CCFL_Man  yes
21:17:00 <fredi> For exactly this work, that I just printed to a pdf, I was kept by (K)Ubuntu for a while now
21:18:04 <fredi> I had several issues, personal and things like pandemics (which made my college freeze in time)
21:18:31 <CCFL_Man> ubuntu is the biggest steaming pile of all of linux
21:19:30 <fredi> But then, THEN, finally, I'm as close to the end I could get rid of that crap, and didn't even wait the last 2 months when had about a GiB left in my disk, and dealt with that for about a month
21:20:16 <CCFL_Man> the crap on your disk is ubuntu
21:20:41 <fredi> then, I noticed content of $HOME/snap ain't the same of snap info, and there were folder for uninstalled, deprecated, and even things I'd never installed by snap
21:21:09 <fredi> df output also has about 48 squashfs related to snap
21:21:59 <fredi> I've gone to a forum and voiced my complaint, but it seems Canonical is a demi-goddess and I was blapheming
21:22:42 <fredi> Then I got back here, where do I belong (well, I like Solaris too)
21:23:14 <fredi> the crap on your disk is ubuntu <--- CCFL_Man was (past tense)
21:23:33 <CCFL_Man> yeah, but you should be a regular bsd/unix user, not a regular linux user
21:24:29 <fredi> (lack of)money-stranded, I had no funds for even an extra HD
21:25:21 <fredi> but like I said, I once had a three-boot with Windows, Arch and FreeBSD
21:26:11 <fredi> just this particular work (which is the final work for me to graduate in CS) had me prioritize (K)Ubuntu long since
21:26:26 <fredi> but it's over now
21:27:56 <fredi> Ubuntu and the snaps are unbelieavable as a professional shit, and these days even Arch Linux is systemd-stained
21:28:58 <fredi> There's always Gentoo, I suppose. For when I have a desktop powerful enough to compile everything I'll need.
21:29:20 <fredi> I don't think I'll have a need for Linux in the future anyway
21:30:14 <fredi> And even among the BSDs, I feel just we and De Raadt people are fin
21:31:13 <fredi> But using OpenBSD means to comply with their philosophy clearly stating security as priority one
21:32:24 <fredi> This program is running inside a jail and needs another to get internet. what else one would need?
21:34:12 <fredi> pf and ipfw
21:34:58 <fredi> time is running, have to go
21:35:06 <fredi> CCFL_Man  thanks again, bye
22:20:24 <meena> What's the preferred way of keeping time? ntpdate or ntpd?
22:21:55 <meena> meena: ntpd, according to the ntpdate(8) man page.
22:29:04 <meena> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1990041
22:29:07 <VimDiesel> Title: Bug #1990041 “cc_ntp: please add support for *BSD” : Bugs : cloud-init
22:48:28 <meena> what's the status of WireGuard in FreeBSD?
22:48:46 <meena> i  know it was ripped from base…
22:48:55 <meena> is the thing in ports functional?
22:49:27 <kevans> yes
22:49:38 <kevans> it's our intention to re-land it "soon"
22:52:12 <meena> kevans: just wondering if i should invest time into this https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#wireguard
22:52:13 <VimDiesel> Title: Module Reference — cloud-init 22.3 documentation
22:53:30 <meena> i should probz also add a module to add pkg repos.
22:54:08 <meena> oh great, i totally forgot about https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1901915
22:54:10 <VimDiesel> Title: Bug #1901915 “FreeBSD: Add certctl support to cc_ca_certs” : Bugs : cloud-init
22:58:35 <meena> why is there no man page for pkg's repo format?
22:59:39 <meena> oh, there is
23:02:15 <meena> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1990042
23:02:17 <VimDiesel> Title: Bug #1990042 “FreeBSD add module to manage pkg repositories” : Bugs : cloud-init
23:03:41 <meena> i think that's enough for tonight.
23:04:59 <saltd> yeah
23:05:17 <saltd> (o′┏▽┓｀o)
23:07:18 * saltd slaps saltd totally with a ladies handbag
23:11:39 <rtprio> okay then
23:23:26 <kevans> meena: ah, I don't see any reason not to (re: wg)