16:31:23 <btracht> what softphones are you (anybody) using???
16:37:55 <fink> acrobits. pretty bulky and shitty. all initial signaling goes through their shitty servers which routinely don't send push notifications properly
16:42:07 <btracht> sounds great
16:43:13 <fink> very frustrating, even if the softphone shows as registered, their servers will [randomly] not send push notifications and piss users right off
16:43:45 <fink> i started working on something in flutter using webrtc, but webrtc has been fairly meh
16:44:43 <btracht> i started working on one using pjsip but ran into some issues
16:45:18 <btracht> been on the back burner for a while now. figured I'd look into any other solutions
16:45:36 <fink> linphone? not sure what their commercial license $$ wise looks like
16:47:48 <btracht> i looked into them a while back. i dont remember what i didnt like..i"ll have to revisit
16:53:54 <fink> yeah, not sure, never really looked into them, just heard of a few people using them with a custom ui bolted on top
16:54:23 <fink> if you're going to roll your own, i think pjsip and baresip are the most popular libraries, abto is just a pjsip wrapper, not sure what value-add there is there
18:43:36 <mc_> i've used linphone for a basic softphone and its fine but didn't ever get into push notifications
18:44:00 <mc_> i know luis used it for a while, will check if he still does
20:35:38 <barney> I use Bria Mobile - costs £0.99/month but seems to do the job
20:37:35 <barney> now I tend to use a eSim sip2sim too
22:28:57 <BadRequest> btracht: Linphone & MicroSIP. MicroSIP is better for presence testing because it receives and sends presence. If I recall correctly, Linphone only sends presence but does not receive it, or at least does not display it.
22:29:42 <BadRequest> Regarding MicroSIP, I use it on Linux via wine and it works flawlessly, at least for me.
22:30:05 <BadRequest> I use the portable version. I have never used the installable version myself.